Why the .270 is obsolete

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Just got a Tikka .270 in trade from a good friend.

I've been a 7mm-08 fan for about 25 years now but I am very familiar with the .270 and it's history as a well-regarded hunting round with millions of devout fans.

What's curious to me however is that after hand loading for both now, all I get out of the .270 over the 7mm-08 is more recoil. That's it.

Here's why I say that. My "heavy" load for the 7mm-08 is a 162-grain ELD-X (BC. .612) going 2675 fps.

My "heavy" load for the .270 is a 150 grain Accubond LR (BC. .591) going 2800 fps.

The downrange velocity and energy are almost indistinguishable between the two but the 7mm-08 has noticeably less recoil.

Tell me again why the .270 is better?
 
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Because, while the 7-08 is the cartridge its “parent” should have been, it’s still the short, fat, dumpy imitation of the tall, elegant, classically beautiful 270 Win that it falls slightly short of.

But, other than that, apparently Mrs Lincoln enjoyed the play.
 
My first deer rifle I bought for myself was the .270 Win, first rifle I handloaded for was the .270 Win, first deer I ever shot was with the .270 Win SO YEAH it has a special place in my safe for me, BUT I'm a huge 7mm fan and the 7mm08 is my favorite cartridge of all time.
 
You guys are funny how you go on and on with this same old war.
This information was gathered In 2013 that follows. It is popularity by ammo sales. More to follow after the data: Top91.jpg

In reality this data is inconclusive of a cartridges true popularity with rifleman because a vast number of us reload our ammo. As such the ballistics knowledge we posess allows us to bring all the potential from a cartridge effectively to light more so than factory loads for a given calibre/firearm combination.
However it is really not fair to render a cartridge obsolete when ammo sales say differently. Even though it may be only a small group of sportsman who find it more popular than most other hunting calibres.
Even though the 7mm Rem Mag, 280 Rem and 7mm/08 Rem were farther down the list than the 270win in popularity from ammo sales doesn't mean that they do not have a loyal and justifiable following with handloaders who have ballistic knowledge greater than those who purchase loaded ammo.
The 270win is far from obsolete among hunters. Just to much history there for it to die quietly and it has proven it's worth.
In reality, the difference between any of the aforementioned calibres and a few others have been debated over camp fires for ages and will continue to do so for many more I am sure.
I know the .284's can really shine but so can the .270win. They all work and are useful, it's just which one you want to use. Leave the ole 270win and it's long track record of success alone and enjoy your cartridge to your hearts content.
Bye the way I own several .284's and 270's and 06's and 6.5's and ................
Love em all!
Happy shooting!
 
So you put a lower B.C. bullet over a little more powder in a cartridge and viola! it made it obsolete?
 
IMO, the 150 grain bullets are a really poor choice for the 270. At that point, it's sort of a crappier 30-06.

It was meant to essentially be a 10% smaller, 10% faster '06, so load it up with 130s, give it a 22" minimum barrel, and let it do its thing. Speed is the 270's selling point, so while I have seen people load it heavy, it always seemed bass ackwards to me.

130s will kick less than 150s too.
 
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I can’t believe it! I just can’t believe it. Tell us more about this inferior cartridge. I haven’t heard enough about it. I need to learn more so I can properly berate anyone considering such an terrible and lowly cartridge.:p:p:p

It’s so old and crusty. Anything that’s 94 years old can’t possibly be any good, can it?o_O

Just funnin’ :rofl:
 
It's not obsolete. It's a decent round. I never used it because of 7mm magnum, 25-06, 300 magnum all of which I had first and I can also get at walmart if I run out of handloads. I like the 257 Roberts too. That said I know a boat load of 270 guys. So its plenty popular. Is it great? Idk. I also know a crap load of 30-30 users. I believe it to be a poor cartridge...
Has it killed more deer and buffalo than all other rounds like they claim....maybe I dont know. But sticks killed many deer and likely a few wooly mammoth, I wouldnt choose a spear to go hunt with today. Horse and buggy hauled a bit of wood too, but we use trucks to haul today, and little is chopped by axe or two-man felling saw. People like to have the newest greatest 70k truck but use a rifle because its "historic".



Not to pick and as far as 270 goes maybe it's not, but That data seems off. 5.7 sold more than 10mm, 44 special and 500 even more than that? Or 8mm mauser outselling nearly every production Rifle round. 222, 25-06 and many others. I shoot a lot. Mostly with LE. I hunt a little, and folks come to hunt on my land something all the time. I talk guns with all of them. Out of the hundreds I've met in ten or so years I'm the only one to buy a 5.7. The only other owner I know is a LGS guy and his is loaded in a gun case where it has been his SD gun since they came out.
 
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I think the concept of obsolete was made up by marketing and sales departments to convince people they need something new. Sure there are improvements and new things that work better. But if the original item works and does what the owner wants then whos someone to say it's obsolete.I don't have or want a .270 but it's a great cartridge. I do have one of Winchesters other red haired step child the .348 Win. Another one of a kind. Forget finding loaded ammo thats not a collectable. But shoulder that beautiful M71 and it knocks down big stuff as well as the most modern cartridge in it's class. Obsolete, look in the mirror, I bet we all are on someones chart.:p
 
CraigC said:
Not sure you're real clear on the definition of "obsolete".
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no longer produced or used; out of date.
"the disposal of old and obsolete machinery"
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(of a part or characteristic of an organism) less developed than formerly or in a related species; rudimentary; vestigial.
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cause (a product or idea) to be or become obsolete by replacing it with something new.
"we're trying to stimulate the business by obsoleting last year's designs"

We're you thinking something different? Just asking.
 
If the .270 is obsolete, so are about 25 other cartridges.

6.5 grendel? Obsolete.
6.8spc? Obsolete
300 blk? Obsolete
350 legend? Obsolete.
.358 yeti? Obsolete.
.224 valkyrie? Obsolete

Etc. Etc. Etc.

All are cartridges designed with compromises that, by the numbers, have better performing options.
 
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What is it that makes people that "like" a cartridge have to down other rounds?

It makes no sense and appears most everyone does it. If you like Harley's, all other bikes are trash, Chevy fans think Ford's are junk, what's the deal?

If you like the 7mm-08, good deal. Enjoy shooting it but leave other rounds out of it. This is akin to the "my fav color" discussions in kindergarten.

All you guys who swear the 270 Win is such trash and obsolete are blinded by hatred and a selfish outlook. If it serves YOU no purpose than it's obsolete? Sorry bud, there's alot of people it fits like a glove. Your trying to tell me the sun is not hot, that I don't need air to breath, that up is down etc. It's worked too well for me for several years, you just can't tell me it doesn't.

A 7mm-08 is pretty much the perfect round for my area no doubt. What hinders it is 90% of hunters/shooters around here don't handload. Way easier to find 270 Win ammo on the shelf. Not just ammo but lots of different flavors of ammo. Unless that changes the 270 Win will continue to not only be relevant but popular.

Btw, my 24" bbl Weatherby Vanguard spits 160gr Nosler Partitions out at 2900fps. Compared to 2625fps in the 7mm-08 in hunting range the 270 Win will be a good bit flatter shooting. Long range, the 7mm-08 would be a better choice. Unless you have a faster twist and shoot 169.5gr ULD RBBT, 180 Woodleigh Weldcore, 195gr ULD RBBT in the 270 Win.

The 7mm-08 does it's deal with a shorter and handier bbl and with less powder and recoil. Both have their place and just because I like one doesn't mean I have to hate the other.
 
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1. no longer produced or used;
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Is the .270 "no longer used"? According to the list you posted, it's #19 and right ahead of the .45Colt. Which is more popular now than at any other time in history.

The above mentioned .348Winchester is a good example of a cartridge that is actually obsolete.
 
My obsolete 270 Win
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A 1956 Winchester Model 70 in 270 Winchester. My grandfather bought it for my father and it now lives in my gun cabinet. (dad is still kill'in deer with other rifles)

The funny thing is that 270 Win is far more capable than every other cartridge I have hunted deer with over the years. It has more energy, holds that energy going down range better, flatter trajectory and more accurate than pretty much every other cartridge I have used to hunt deer with.
 
TN Outlaw said:
What is it that makes people that "like" a cartridge have to down other rounds?

It makes no sense and appears most everyone does it. If you like Harley's, all other bikes are trash, Chevy fans think Ford's are junk, what's the deal?
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I don't understand it either. I don't understand the need to choose one and deride the rest. I grew out of that juvenile mindset years ago.
 
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