Would you carry to a college party?

[Josey]

There may be a blood alcohol limit for Ohio CCW. It, IIRC is significantly LOWER than for DUI. You could drink a couple of beers and violate the law. If you had to even pull your weapon, you could lose your CCW and see the grey bar motel. I used to leave mine at home. Party time and firearms just don't mix. Another issue, what if the young lady accuses you of date rape? "He had a pistol and forced me!"

 

[Kilroy]

Going to stupid places, college alcohol parties in bad parts of town, to associate with stupid people, a wide spectrum under the influence, is an invitation to trouble. You don't know who will find out, how they'll act and what they may ultimately say or do at another place and time.

In this day and age, talking guns in such venues is foolhardy.

 

[yesterdaysyouth]

(considering i go to a Jesuit University = rich white kids in the middle of a predominatly lower class black neighborhood. Stereotyping yes i know considering i am not one of the rich kids)

i'll assume you're talking about XU and norwood... great place isn't it???




from what i read friday the sheriffs are hung up on releasing mental health records, saying that it could be june before the law takes effect....

oh, and stay away from those rifle team women...

 

[Andrew Rothman]

"The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is: Don't be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don't go to stupid places. Don't associate with stupid people. Don't do stupid things."

John Farnam, Defense Training International, Inc.
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/19Mar03.html

If you're worried that a party might cause you to need to draw, don't go.

If you're not, pack with confidence.

 

[Black92LX]

i'll assume you're talking about XU and norwood... great place isn't it???

that;s it. though norwood really isn't the problem. it's all the thugs coming over from Evanston. Campus is pretty much smashed between norwood and evanston. two great places to live

 

[cookhj]

when i was at VMI, we shot against XU's rifle team at XU. i don't know how you go to school there. i was uneasy walking around during the day time!

 

[Black92LX]

it's amazing how much this area has changed. it used to be such a nice area of town 30 years ago. but now you have this prestigous school that is always ranked high n all the polls straight in the middle of two little hellhole cities.

how many years ago were you here??

 

[Bill Hook]

I'd carry if I went to Xavier. Perhaps you should have all the parties at your place, then invite the girls to stay, rather than walk home in such a dangerous neighborhood.


I don't think Norwood was ever "nice," only a good deal better than it is today. Perhaps like St. Bernard.

 

[Ukraine Train]

I visited some friends at XU last fall, I'd pack there for sure. Saying that you shouldn't go to parties there due to crime is unreasonable, though, IMO. Parties are what make college fun lol. My school is a similar situation. It's in Flint, MI and I usually find myself walking to/from parties with friends in the dead of night where A LOT of houses and cars get broken into.

 

[Drjones]

My initial reaction is to say "of course!"

But then you have to take into account our corrupt legal system and society of sheep.

Taking that into account, I must say; if you are expecting trouble, why are you even there in the first place?

However, I do not think that we should have to alter our lives according to what trouble we think we may encounter. If you want to go somewhere, go there darnit! If you want to be armed, be! If you encounter trouble, act accordingly.

 

[clubsoda22]

i've had this discussion. I go to a widener university in chester, a mice midpoint for drug trafficing between wilmington and philly. Lot's of rich white kids in a poor black neighborhood. campus bans guns in their buildings, so we are unarmed. We have muggings all the time. I mentioned CCW as a solution to muggings here and was overheard by a campus safety officer and had my room searched at 2:30AM. I'm 18 so i don't carry, but when i'm 21 i will have a licence to carry and plan to. The penalty for having a gun on campus is suspension or expulsion, there are no legal problems. The way i look at it, with all the muggings on campus, may of which end in injury and involve guns being pulled, i'd feel safer carrying. The only way they will ever know i'm carrying is if i have to use it. If i have to use it, the last thing on my mind wil be getting kicked out of school. Better finishing my degree at another university than ending up dead.

Simplue solution: if you carry and don't want people to know, use deep cover and don't talk about it. Also, don't drink and avoid trouble. Personally, i don't go to parties and by the time i turn 21 i expect to be living a shorty walk off campus.

 

[t-stox]

Unless your truly worried about being jumped after the party on the way somewhere brother, DONT DO IT!!! If someone starts sh*t with you what you gonna do? shoot him? Even if you don't drink others will and sh*t could start. If you can't defend youself without a gun what good are you anyway?? I mean this in the case of a bar room brawl not in cases of mugging or whatever. Alcohol and guns don't mix, and if enough incidents happen the gov't will ban CCW soon enough. In fact most "gun deaths" involve some substances as well. Dont give the anti's an excuse!



P.S. if your concerned about getting into fights at partys or bars and don't want to fist fight you might consider using "non-lethal" stuff like pepper spray or mace or even a replica gun that way you'll just scare them off.

 

[clubsoda22]

I can't believe i forgot to mention this, but, i am completely substance free. This includes all illegal drugs as well as most of the legal ones. For instance, i don't smoke tobacco and very rarely use alcohol and when i do it's always in a safe environment, around people i know and in moderation. I don't even take prescription pain killers when my doc writes me a script for them. I generally don't attend parties, especially not the frat parties that hapen here on campus, unless i'm asked by a female to escort them (as there have been several instances of sexual assault at these parties). If you remember the scene from the bodyguard where kevin cosner is drinking straight orange juice at the party....that's usually me. I usually carry non-lethal idiot repellant in the form of Fox Labs 2% OC spray and have never had the occasion to use it as i have talked my way out of all but two encounters in my life--in both of which i was being actively attacked--though i wouldn't have drawn a gun, or even pepper spray in either. As a note, technically i'm not even allowed to have pepper spray on campus under the same policy that forbids firearms.

You should make a decision on my opinions based on the above information.

Note to t-stox: replica gun is a VERY bad idea. If you're gonna pull out something that looks like a gun, it better be able to fire bullets and you better have a good reason for doing it.

 

[Stinkyshoe]

This is a good thread. I admire you for being a gentleman and walking the drunks home, but shouldn't they learn to be responsible for their self inflicted condition?

Also this notion of carrying a gun and having to pull just because someone wants to fight or get rough. If someone pulls a gun of knife or club or some weapon...by all means defend yourself. If they are just getting mouthy and throw a few punches, disfuse the situation and back away. I guess if a drunk guy just wants to fist fight, I wouldn't be to worried. I hope that the gun isn't the only way you know to defend yourself.

Carry proud and responsible....atleast you get to carry in your state

 

[clubsoda22]

I admire you for being a gentleman and walking the drunks home, but shouldn't they learn to be responsible for their self inflicted condition?

Not so much walking them home as watching out for them for the duration of a party. Many of the sexual assaults aren't because the got completely wasted and passed out on a frat guys bed, girls have been surrounded buy numerous males and verbally intemidated an propositioned. These guys are almost without exception pussies and take no more than a "leave her alone" to send them packing. Others instances have involved "date rape" drugs being slipped into their beverages. Optimally I'll catch the guy in the act, otherwise, i can recognize the symptoms. It's kinda handy having an E.M.T. covering your 6 if you pass out, and even handier having a 6'0" 230lb guy around if one of the frat guys then decides to try and drag you into their bedroom. I however keep it as my policy to not intervene if they get "girls-gone-wild" syndrome and start lifting their shirt and making out with every frat guy they see, in that case, it's their mistake to make. Same goes if they pop ecstacy and start sliding their hands down everyones pants. I make sure that they are not taken advantage of when they are unable to resist, not when the are unwilling to resist.

As far as drunks wanting to fight, most of the time they end up dropping themselves with a wild swing before you even have to do anything but step back or duck.

 

[Model520Fan]

Clarification?

What if you find yourself in a situation where it isn't the gangstas confronting you, but a bunch of drunken jocks?

All too often, there's a certain population of college students--particularly athletes, though not exclusively--who've grown up shielded by their parents' money and been brought up thinking that the sun shines out their nether orifice, and that anything they do is going to bring them no or negligible consequences. They can be even more dangerous, since a gangsta usually knows what a gun can do, while Mr. Young-Spoiled-&-Stupid just can't believe you'd actually hurt him. (Let's just say I've seen that mentality at work and leave it at that...I ain't admittin' to nothing! )

It's fine to recognize an obvious threat, and be prepared to meet that threat. But focusing on that one set of circumstances to the exclusion of all else can't be good. If you've ascertained that you can carry where you need to without going to the pokey, then cool, strap it on. I'm just hoping you think about different possible scenarios and the fact that justice ain't necessarily blind when it comes to certain classes of people.

So, if this situation comes up, should he forget about the gun, because they're preppy jocks? Or should he have not been carrying it in the first place, because he might come up against preppy jocks instead of "gangstas?" What if he can't walk a date home without a chance of landing in the pokey? What do you think he should do in that case?

 

[Diggler]

Black92LX,

You should have told her that she forgot to check to see if you were using a SmartCarry.

 

[Black92LX]

I admire you for being a gentleman and walking the drunks home, but shouldn't they learn to be responsible for their self inflicted condition?

on this campus i wouldn't let a group of 7 compleltely sober girls walk home by themselves in the dark!

I feel very uncomfortable if i am with a couple other guys walking after dark.

 

[clubsoda22]

So, if this situation comes up, should he forget about the gun, because they're preppy jocks? Or should he have not been carrying it in the first place, because he might come up against preppy jocks instead of "gangstas?" What if he can't walk a date home without a chance of landing in the pokey? What do you think he should do in that case?

I pretty much agree with you. This is the reason why it is vitally important to carry non-lethal attitude adjustment. That way, if one of these drunken morons starts giving crap and decides he want's kick your but, you can pull something other than your piece. I like pepper spray. If you draw a gun and he goes "what are you gonna do, shoot me?" and continues to advance, it's gonna be a hard call to pull the trigger on someone you know is unarmed and is simply under the influence. If you pull a can of pepper spray and tell him to back off and he goes "what are you gonna do, mace me?" you can say "yes" and teach his dumb, drunk a$$ a lesson. Fog him, kick him to the ground and walk away. If he's got three buddies, fog all of them. Use the entire can and RUN. Call the police, tell them there's four drunk aryan-youth-looking guys in white polo shirts that tried to attack you and they should be readily identifiable by the UV marker dye.

Aside fron having to fight it out, drunks can generally be walked away from, avoiding the whole mess.

Then, when you're walking away and you run into a bunch of gangsta's who whip out a lead pipe and threaten to dust you, then you can use the gun.

 

[Sportcat]

One guy who carried on campus... http://wltx.com/sports/sports.asp?storyid=16116

Of course, this idiot pointed it at somebody. If I get more details I'll post them.

 

[SapperLeader]

Most of the college parties Ive been too have the goofy drunks, not too many of the mean drunks. If your worried about fellow party goers, I think clubsoda22 has a good idea about having oc spray in addition to your normal load out. I usually cut down on my pocket knives to one knife, carry my usual guns, and I may have to consider adding the oc spray myself for the less lethal option.

 

[clubsoda22]

Most of the time OC isn't even needed with drunks. They usually take care of themselves weather it be stumbling over their own feet or loosing their balance with a wild swing.

 

[Gus Dddysgrl]

I've carried on campus and in class. I don't really go to parties so I don't know what I do. When I did go to a party once or twice I wasn't that into carrying yet so it didn't cross my mind. I wish I had been carrying sometimes. It would have given me more confidence when walking back to my car or where ever I was going.

I never drank since I didn't really like anything they had there. I do not smoke or do drugs so that's no worry. If I were you I'd carry when you can. Good for you and you're new "friend". Hope it all works out.

 

[clubsoda22]

where do you go to school gus?

 

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Mil Vil also known as
MU also known as
Millersville University

Go Marauders!!!!!!!