Would you carry to a college party?

[Kharn]

Obiwan:
Huh?

Kharn

 

[clubsoda22]

Yes, Black, I was looking at clubsoda and fumegator's descriptions of their situations... In which it seems to be even way less of a good idea than in does in yours, IMO...

When did we ever suggest carrying underage? This is the second time some brain-doner on this board has accused me of this. I bitch and moan that i can't carry for another two years, but i specifically state in nearly all of my posts that i do not carry.

In my state there are no laws against carrying on a college campus, only primary and secondary schools. I never stated that i carry to college parties A)because i don't carry B)because i don't party.

I assure you i am still the most law abiding member of this board.

Now, back to my chat with fumegator.

As for jail and death. Jail is not much of a possibility given my clear description of the scenario (obvious mugging with weapons drawn). Would i put my life on the line for others? I believe the answer lies in my extra cirricular activities. Every so often (pretty much every week) i strap on a bulletproof vest and run EMS in this crack house infested neighborhood and they don't even pay me to do that! answer your question? Maybe i'm to theological for your tastes, but in my religion saving anothers life is the equivalent to saving an entire world. The way i look at it, if it costs me my life, i know there's a spot for me in heaven. However, to hopefully avoid this, i do a lot of practicing with my chosen weapon.

 

[SapperLeader]

I dont think any of the college students posting in this thread are advocating under age carry. Both clubsoda22 and fumegator have said they are underage and dont carry, and a few like myself are of age and do carry.
When I said I do carry at a college party I was thinking more of a small gathering of under 1-2 dozen, not a frat house kegger with hundreds. The only time Im unarmed are in areas my state deems its illegal for me to carry, and in my state universities are not one of them. School is one of those places I want to be armed most, and I go to a nice school.
Heck, ive almost been mugged twice on my school, and im not exactly a soft looking target. I figure if Im 5'11, 185, buzzed head, and very military looking, and ive had a couple close encounters, im definitly carrying, and providing a escort for female friends and any guys that want to tag along too for the long walks back to the parking lots. Concealed means concealed, and if your not drinking, and not getting in to a ruckus for the sake of it, its your descision, and be smart about it.

 

[zahc]

Here's another underage non-person who doesn't carry.

 

[ny32182]

You're college students, in a thread about carrying at college parties, talking about going to said parties just for the sake of... defending people, and the possible consequences from getting in a lethal fight: jail, death, etc. The assumption, in this thread specifically, is that you mean to do so with a gun. Otherwise, your chances of a fight turning lethal are pretty damn small, and you're posting in the wrong thread anyway. I doubt I was the only one that made that assumption, given the circumstances.

 

[Black92LX]

talking about going to said parties just for the sake of... defending people

actually i have better things to do than to go to parties just so i can defend people or walk them home. i go to these parties because i like to hang with friends and just relax. no i usually don't drink, but i am not the only one. i am one of the partiers not just a defender.

lets put it in this into a perspective. lets say you are going to a new years eve party with a bunch of 30-40 year olds that will be drinking all night. you know you are not going to drink but still enjoy the company of these folks. unfotunatly this party is in a bad neighborhood, and you have to walk a few blocks to get back to your car. would you carry then?

 

[ny32182]

Yes... because: a party where the average age is 30-40 is totally different from a party where the average age is 20-22. Its a different, much less volatile environment. In my experience.

 

[cidirkona]

In either case, I wouldn't stay too long after I found out a party or the partiers were 'volatile.' I also usually don't go to parties where I dont' know at least half of the people there well.

"I don't avoid conflict, only violence." -Someone I forget the name of...

-Colin

 

[BHPshooter]

You're college students, in a thread about carrying at college parties, talking about going to said parties just for the sake of... defending people, and the possible consequences from getting in a lethal fight: jail, death, etc. The assumption, in this thread specifically, is that you mean to do so with a gun.

I have trouble coming to the same "assumption." However, that's just a difference of perspective, I guess.

Let me make it clear, once and for all: I don't drink, I don't party, and I rarely attend such. The only reason I have ever gone is purely for socialization.

Is there any reason that a person who isn't drinking, is not wild, and otherwise stays away from any avoidable confrontation should waive their right to self defense? If I happen to be there, should I not defend anyone who is an innocent?

This is all purely hypothetical, just like before. It's all a big IF, so I don't understand why you're getting razzled.

Jail is not much of a possibility given my clear description of the scenario (obvious mugging with weapons drawn).

That's true, given any rightheaded justice system, but I wouldn't be so secure about it in someplace like NYC or San Francisco.

Every so often (pretty much every week) i strap on a bulletproof vest and run EMS in this crack house infested neighborhood and they don't even pay me to do that!

Geez... I hope your major turns into a high paying career, with those kind of risks.

answer your question? Maybe i'm to theological for your tastes, but in my religion saving anothers life is the equivalent to saving an entire world. The way i look at it, if it costs me my life, i know there's a spot for me in heaven. However, to hopefully avoid this, i do a lot of practicing with my chosen weapon.

Precisely what I'm saying, you just took it one step further. I don't want to assume that solely saving a person's life will guarantee me occupancy in heaven, but what I meant was that I would do it because it's the right thing. If I die, no biggie -- I was doing the right thing. Ending up in heaven would be icing.

Of course, I'd rather live to run away another day.

I'm glad to see someone sees it like I do.

Wes

 

[cidirkona]

Thefumegator wrote:

I don't want to assume that solely saving a person's life will guarantee me occupancy in heaven,

Oh, it won't, John 3:16,17 could give you alittle insight on that one though.

A quick mind, some kind words and well tied shoes will help with much less hassle before a weapon will - but if the first three fail...

-Colin

 

[cracked butt]

I would say no to carrying to a party.

I lived in a fraternity house while in college.

We had alot of parties.

I had to forcefully remove someone from the premises once- he attemted to sexually assault my girlfriend a week earlier and I made it clear to him that he was not welcome in the house anymore.

We had exactly one fight at a party: A freshman who happened to be a stud hockey player started making remarks to a tall scandinavian farmgirl about her sexuality because she played on the woman's rugby team. She picked him up, body slammed him, kneeled on his chest and pummelled him to a pulp. Noone was able to pull her off him, because we were laughing so damn hard.

Most people who go to college house parties are there for a good time, in my town, there was always two or three big bruisers like myself who stayed sober until all of the guests left, for "risk management" purposes.


Biggest problems come in taverns especially in college towns. You often run into peolple with a chip on their shoulder who are itching for a fight and alcohol doesn't seem to temper them much either. Worse yet, if someone who is looking for a fight is somehow offended by you or sees you as weak, might follow you home and attack you away from the crowd- seen it happen to a few people. I've been in a few brief fights in taverns while in college- always a drunk guy starting a fight with one of my friends- one guy who started a fight was even a bouncer at the bar who I sent to the emergency room to get half of his ear stitched back on after he sucker punched my friend. But carrying to a tavern and having to use it after having a few drinks almost seems like a no win situation. Sometimes its handy just to learn to fight real dirty.

 

[clubsoda22]

You're college students, in a thread about carrying at college parties, talking about going to said parties just for the sake of... defending people

Hold on just a second, you make it sound as if i'm a vigilante. THe only time i go to parties is when a female asks me to come as a friend just to watch her back because the walk to and from the parties are hazardous and if she get's liquored up it's comforting to know i'm around to make sure she dosn't get into any trouble.

and the possible consequences from getting in a lethal fight: jail, death, etc. The assumption, in this thread specifically, is that you mean to do so with a gun. Otherwise, your chances of a fight turning lethal are pretty damn small, and you're posting in the wrong thread anyway. I doubt I was the only one that made that assumption, given the circumstances.

Yep, with a gun, when it's legal for us to do so.

Back to the convo. Basically, i'm not a very religious person, though i find the thought of an afterlife comforting. If there is no afterlife and we simply rot in the ground, then i can still be comforted in the fact that others would understand an know that i did the right thing.

 

[Obiwan]

Sorry Kharn....Colorado joke.

We have some ladies who are trying to bring federal charges against the university because they were supposedly raped at a party for prospective football players.

What it sounds more and more like is that they were smashed and woke up feeling like maybe they made bad choices....like when they handed out condoms to the players!

Of course, saying that gets you branded as some heartless jerk....even if you are a woman.

Evidently drunk women are not supposed to be in control of themselves but drunk men are.....go figure!

One of the people investigating tha allegation asked why these young ladies were getting hammered with the jocks and has been villified by the NOW hags as not having compassion.

Even the DA was not willing to pursue this...hence the federal court route.