Would you carry to a college party?

[HankB]

If there was an optional social occasion - like a party - that, for whatever reason, (bad part of town, bad guests, too many aggressive drunks, dopers, etc.) made me think beforehand that I was really likely to need a gun for my safety . . . well, I simply wouldn't go.

If none of the above applied, but somewhere along the line things started getting out of hand - dopers light up, drunks that aren't mellow - I'd leave early.

I have a CHL and practice regularly, but given a choice, I would much rather avoid trouble than have to deal with it.

As far as carrying on campus . . . well, I would pay attention to what the law says.

As far as school rules go . . . well, I was never altogether religious about mere rules of any type . . . I was just careful not to get caught.

 

[clubsoda22]

Hank, i'd rather have a party filled with dopers than drunks. I've never seen a violent pothead.

 

[Gus Dddysgrl]

Concealed means concealed. I don't know the rules, but I will carry anyways since I'm good at acting cute; if I am caught I can get out of trouble. Heehee

If I recall correctly the law around here doesn't say anything about college campuses, but it's up to the school.

 

[Sportcat]

I don't know the rules, but I will carry anyways since I'm good at acting cute; if I am caught I can get out of trouble. Heehee

Just what the anti's want to hear

 

[The Undertoad]

Timely thread, as I turn 21 next month.

At my college it is not illegal to carry but it is against school policy. I have to store my rifles off campus at a friend's apartment :banghead: I'll be moving off campus next semester for DAMN sure.

Even in a smaller town like Williamsburg we get crap sometimes. Marines love to come to our frat parties (yes, I'm in a frat, but we're good guys) and gang up on individuals. An alum got the crap kicked out of him by 4 Marines last year. He's a tough guy but is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu trained and took the first guy to the ground...the others promptly had a boot party. (And I know there are plenty of good soldiers out there, about half my friends are military or ROTC). Most of the fights and trouble I've seen on campus are actually due to non-students.

I carry a knife at all times. Mostly as a tool, but I guess it could be used as a weapon if circumstances dictated. Never regretted it. Never had to show or use it in violence either. The one time I was in a situation, my friend and I got out by using Sneaker Fu and quick wits.

Sorry for getting off topic. But yeah, even in smaller towns there can be problems. I have friends who carry here on campus and I know they aren't alone. Went to a school-sponsored gun control debate last semester. The anti's got their asses handed to them but were too smug and entrenched to realize it.

 

[BHPshooter]

I'm in Utah... they don't have college parties here.

Just curious, but what college do you attend, George?

They sure do at USU. I haven't been to any but the school-run parties, but even those are so huge (over 25,000 people at their halloween party) that drugs and alcohol make an appearance. And that's just in the last few years, after USU became a "dry campus."

I'd wager that I saw nearly as many people drunk last year at school as I would have if it were still a "party campus."

Black92LX, If you're not drinking, I'd carry. Of course, like you said, the need isn't at the party, it's after the party. I'd have some OC spray for the party, just in case...

Clubsoda22 said it best when he said that he will defend those unable to defend themselves, not those who are unwilling.

Just be sure that you don't get made... It sounds like a ladyfriend of yours would have come dangerously close!

That said, it sure is funny to watch drunk people, isn't it?

Wes

 

[Bill Hook]

They don't at BYU.

 

[Drjones]

Hank, i'd rather have a party filled with dopers than drunks. I've never seen a violent pothead.

You've never hidden food from a pothead, have you?

 

[cidirkona]

I carry where ever and when ever legally possible.
-Colin

 

[Samurai Penguin]

I pretty much agree with you. This is the reason why it is vitally important to carry non-lethal attitude adjustment....If you pull a can of pepper spray and tell him to back off and he goes "what are you gonna do, mace me?" you can say "yes" and teach his dumb, drunk a$$ a lesson.

Then, when you're walking away and you run into a bunch of gangsta's who whip out a lead pipe and threaten to dust you, then you can use the gun.

BINGO.

Aside fron having to fight it out, drunks can generally be walked away from, avoiding the whole mess.

Usually. It's only a problem when you get the ones who are drunk enough to be aggressive, but not drunk enough to be too uncoordinated. Those are the dangerous ones. At that point, Sneaker Fu if you can, non-lethal if you can't, or...well, I'd hate to have to go there, and I'm sure we all feel similarly.

 

[clubsoda22]

Usually. It's only a problem when you get the ones who are drunk enough to be aggressive, but not drunk enough to be too uncoordinated. Those are the dangerous ones.

Even if they're not uncoordinated, their reaction time is still slowed. Basically what i'm saying is that no matter how drunk you are, a kick to to balls will drop em short of pepper spray. However, i do like pepper spray for one other reason. If you have to get the cops involved, it will be very easy to pick out the guys involved from the crowd with a blacklight. UV marker dye = caught red handed...or purple faced rather.

Clubsoda22 said it best when he said that he will defend those unable to defend themselves, not those who are unwilling.

Words to live by. Here's the kicker though. Say i see two girls obviously (as in weapon is out and a lot of yelling, maybe someone on the ground) getting mugged outside the library, do i intervene? No, because i'm legally disarmed by the state for another 2 years. I'm not rushing a mugger with a can of mace and a pocket knife. I can take care of moron frat boys, but the criminal element in this town is another story.

The real test is that when i am legally able to carry, would i risk suspension or expulsion in the same scenario (this would be clearly an act in defence of another)? The answer is yes. If they wanted to kick me out of school for it, there would be little i could legally do to stop them as i obviously willingly violated the policy, however the power of the media is what i would use. If i have two people talking to fox, cbs, abc, nbc news saying "he saved our lives and they crucified him for it." Have friends launch editorials to every major and small town newspaper in the state and surrounding states. Use my clout at the campus radio station to get a message read every hour and possibly also influence other radio stations in the area. How's it gonna look when the university kicks out one of their community service leaders for saving two innocents from the hands of a derranged lunatic?

 

[Ala Dan]

yes, but only a very attractive female!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

 

[cookhj]

let's see, i was at XU either in late '97 or early '98 i believe.

 

[Kharn]

I definitely wouldnt carry a gun at a college party. Too many chances for something to happen, and you'd look really bad in the cops eyes if/when they show up to break up the party and find out you're packing.

I carry my two knives (CRKT M16-12Z for heavy-duty stuff, and a CRKT KISS for when I dont want to alarm anyone with the M16, my coworkers didnt like the M16 one time I popped it out) 24/7, clipped to the insides of my pockets (the pocket clips are visible, but the tops are covered by my shirt), while at a party on Sunday night (first night back in the dorms, I'm not THAT much of a drinker ) one of my group was sitting down about 2' from where I was standing. After we'd each had a few beers, he just reached over and pulled the KISS out of my pocket, which I immediately noticed and reacted to by (non-violently & discretely, nobody else noticed what was going on) grabbing the knife and the two/three fingers he was holding it with (he hadnt opened the blade, he was trying to figure out what it was, as the pocket clip is much larger than the M16's) until he let go.

Now the KISS has a lanyard run through the keyring hole, which is then attached to my keys (which are clipped to my pants). If I hadnt been talking to our mutual friend (who was sitting next to the first guy), I might not have noticed the knife grab.

Kharn

 

[BHPshooter]

Words to live by. Here's the kicker though. Say i see two girls obviously (as in weapon is out and a lot of yelling, maybe someone on the ground) getting mugged outside the library, do i intervene? No, because i'm legally disarmed by the state for another 2 years. I'm not rushing a mugger with a can of mace and a pocket knife. I can take care of moron frat boys, but the criminal element in this town is another story.

I'm with ya, I can't get my permit for another 10 months.

I can see what you're saying about not rushing in with mace and a knife.I guess it all depends on circumstances, though. If I knew that they truly needed help, I'd have to do it.

The real test is that when i am legally able to carry, would i risk suspension or expulsion in the same scenario...?

Or even jail or death, for that matter.

If suspension, expulsion, and jail were the options, then I'd still go for it. I mean, it's the right thing, damn it, regardless of what Big Brother says. Death... well, you've gotta die of something. I'd rather die with my spurs on, to tell the truth.

There's a major "rule of invisible positives" thing going on nowadays, reinforced by the media. People only see evil, crime, and corruption, but never see people doing something good for their fellow man. This is also reinforced by the fact that doing the right thing often has a harsher penalty than the BG will ever see.

Well, I'm unashamed to say that I'd jump in if I were truly needed, and I'd kill the cretin if I had the chance. It's time we made violent crime a hazardous career path. Since the Justice system won't, I guess it's up to us.

Sorry, I didn't mean to rant.

Wes

 

[gulogulo1970]

No.

Carrying around young, drunken students that might want to start a fight is not a good idea. I've seen too many drunken brawls.

Now, carrying around young, stoned students...well you don't need a concealed weapon. Maybe a concealed bag of chips. I've never seen a stoned person start a fight.

 

[VNgo]

I don't carry a gun on campus because it's against Caltech's rules and would get me expelled, but I do carry a knife. Or a full-length sword, if it's one of the house parties -- those are usually costume parties, and no one has to know it's a live steel blade.

 

[cidirkona]

I called an officer to ask him if it was ok to unload and lock my CCW pistol in my car if I parked on campus and he said "Yup, just make sure it's out of sight so someone doesn't try to steal it and that it's unloaded so you're not responsible for anyone using it if they do get ahold of it. If you feel you need to carry in class, be sure it's concealed well, because the very sight of it could cause problems for those uncomfortable around firearms."

"Umm... I wasn't even thinking about carrying in class..."

"Good idea."

"Ok, thanks officer, you've been helpful!"

I carry a 3.9" knive everywhere else but court houses and airplanes. In Arizona only a 4" and longer knife is a weapon, anything less than that is a box cutter and not a weapon until used as a weapon. I'm thinking about getting myself a 3" knife because 3.9" still looks pretty close to 4". Everywhere else besides bars, restaurants that serve alchohol, and government buildings I carry the 3.9" and the .380".

-Colin

 

[ny32182]

So some of you guys are talking about carrying while:

1)Underage
2)On campus (I assume forbidden by at least school rules, and in my case, state law.. its a felony to have a gun on campus)
3)At a drunken party...

That really is asking for trouble, BIG time. Hell, thats asking for major prosecution/expulsion even if you DON'T pull a gun, if someone sees it. Whats more important to you guys, going to parties with a gun (and it seems, no intention of partying anyway) or graduating without landing in federally subsidized housing for a while, and losing your right to ever own a gun again? And thats if you DON'T shoot somebody. Sheesh...

I was thinking of a situation where you are of age, have a permit, and are at an off campus location... where it would at least be legal to carry, but would still be a very bad idea.

 

[The Undertoad]

I was thinking of a situation where you are of age, have a permit, and are at an off campus location... where it would at least be legal to carry, but would still be a very bad idea.

I pretty much feel the same way... it is legal to carry here (with a CHL), just against school policy. Also can't have guns, explosives, ammo or toy guns in your room if you live on campus. Gee, I feel safer already.

 

[Black92LX]

I was thinking of a situation where you are of age, have a permit, and are at an off campus location... where it would at least be legal to carry, but would still be a very bad idea.

that is the exact situation i am refering to!

 

[ny32182]

Yes, Black, I was looking at clubsoda and fumegator's descriptions of their situations... In which it seems to be even way less of a good idea than in does in yours, IMO...

Of course everyone is gonna do what they're gonna do. Best of luck.

 

[BHPshooter]

Yes, Black, I was looking at clubsoda and fumegator's descriptions of their situations... In which it seems to be even way less of a good idea than in does in yours, IMO...

Maybe you'd better actually read my post.

Where in my post did I say, "I'm going to carry a gun on campus, even though the only time I've been on campus I was underage, didn't have a licence, or even own a handgun!" My post was about helping people who were under attack, with my bare hands if necessary. Yeah, it was not 100% on-topic.

If you can't do hypothetical discussion, don't come down on those who can. I stand by what I've said many times before -- I don't carry a gun, and I don't advocate carrying one without a permit to anyone.

Wes

 

[Obiwan]

Only if I were a woman.....

Then I could get totally stinkin drunk and shoot some guy and claim he was raping me.

 

[Drjones]

Then I could get totally stinkin drunk and shoot some guy and claim he was raping me

The sad thing is that you wouldn't get charged with anything and would actually have a parade thrown in your honor.