Would you date an anti-gun liberal?

[rs25.com]

This seems to me to be more a question of your standards than the exact "pro-gun" debate. Personally, I have come to find that most people we get involved with have some pros and some cons. If this is her only "con" then I wouldn't really call this a deal breaker. However, if she also has several other things that do not work for you then perhaps this is your way of asking a community of people to help you in your decision to get rid of her.

I have done a lot of learning about women in the past few years due to my miserable ability to maintain a relationship (no more, thankfully!) Here are a few things that I learned that are extremely important in long term relationships:

#1 - she must be clinically sane. That means she's no on meds for being bi-polar, depressed, etc.

The rest is summed up in this nice paragraph:

The three major Female Trait qualities that men should be aware of and look for in a long term mate are: Integrity, made up of Loyalty, Trust, and Honesty; Giving; and Flexibility.

Therefore, I would ask you ... is the Flexible? If she is not flexible, then you have a real problem on your hands. If she will never change her mind, and never does, then the relationship as a whole probably is at risk over time. I mean, if she wants one thing and only one thing, and is never open to new ideas, I think that is more of a problem than this one issue you are pointing out ... which really is just symbolic of her lack of flexibility.

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by TAB:
so becuase some one has diffrent veiws from yours they are illogical?

Please explain your logic behind that statement.

I didn't say any view that differers from mine, I said the anti-gun crowd...

Disarming law abiding citizens, while criminals continue to obtain illegal firearms (after all, they are criminals)... Or maybe the AWB and banning all of the scary features on AR and the deadly "high-cap" mags... One gun a month!

Can you name one logical stance that they have?

Anti-gunners are afraid of inanimate objects... Yes, that is irrational.

 

[.cheese.]

cheese!

hahaha.
Makes me laugh every time, no matter how serious his posts are.

Glad you like it. We need a .Blue. and a .Mack. on the board for the joke to be complete though.

 

[DougDubya]

I would date the Antichrist if she was hot enough.

Big:I don't think you would find Obama all that hot.

Obama's just a crooked Chicago politician. And the sniper dodger, once upon a millenium, was kinda cute. Not hot... but cute.

 

[TAB]

I didn't say any view that differers from mine, I said the anti-gun crowd...

Disarming law abiding citizens, while criminals continue to obtain illegal firearms (after all, they are criminals)... Or maybe the AWB and banning all of the scary features on AR and the deadly "high-cap" mags... One gun a month!

Can you name one logical stance that they have?

Anti-gunners are afraid of inanimate objects... Yes, that is irrational.

as I said, since people have diffrent veiws from yours makes them illogical?

 

[JWarren]

I have-- more than once.

Even if I were not married to a great woman now, I wouldn't again.

More than not, the relationships failed on SERIOUS idelological differences other than firearms. In fact, I never had one fail BECAUSE of firearms. It was always something else.


But you have to understand...

My dating life prior to marrying Jennifer was a lot like a low-budget 80's horror movie. Sure, you may see some skin, but largely it had no plot and terrible acting.


A tip from someone who's paid alimony: When you are dating, consider those ideological differences and how they mesh with yours. Heaven or Hell is all a matter of how you marry.



-- John

 

[bloodedsky]

....so having bipolar disorder or being on meds for depression indicate that an individual is clinically insane?

Obviously you are clued in, buddy! Hey, everybody--rs25.com knows all the answers about mental instability!

Dude, you have just become THR Mental Guru! I'll bet you have a dartboard with a smiling Prozac pill on it!

 

[17&Holding]

WE really need to see...

HOW HOT. I mean, there's hot and then there's SMOKIN' GUN HOT. I'm not sure anyone can give you a truly fair assement of the situiation without a pictorial...,,, I mean picture.

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by TAB (again):
as I said, since people have diffrent veiws from yours makes them illogical?

If you are going to skirt my question, there isn't much need to continue this dialog.

Posted by American Pit BUll:
Can you name one logical stance that they have?

You don't have a leg to stand on until you name a logical position of someone that is against firearms ownership.
And until that time, I contend that the fear of an inanimate object is illogical... Legislating the lawful in an attempt to control the lawless is illogical... Ignoring study after study that shows that gun control doesn't reduce crime, but continuing to support the legislation rather than strictly enforce the laws already in place is illogical... Banning firearms because they look dangerous is illogical... I could go on, but I would like to see your answer to my question...

 

[fatguynlittlecoat]

she has depression...she's a smart cookie too...she got into loyola in chicago and fordham in NYC.

 

[Tokugawa]

Hmmm- smokin' hot, huh? A great face and lovely body may be an initial attraction, but what STAYS hot is a lovely MIND.

 

[JWarren]

....so having bipolar disorder or being on meds for depression indicate that an individual is clinically insane?

Obviously you are clued in, buddy! Hey, everybody--rs25.com knows all the answers about mental instability!

Dude, you have just become THR Mental Guru! I'll bet you have a dartboard with a smiling Prozac pill on it!

My friend... calm down. He expressed his opinion about his preferences.

Take it for what it was.


I've been in a relationship with someone who was Bi-Polar. No, she wasn't "clinically insane" but I sure as hell never want to relive that 7 months of my life. And yes, that is MY personal experience and opinion.

But Hell's Bells... I think there are support groups of women that I've dated who I've probably turned from men altogether.

Ahh... the magic of love...


-- John

 

[TAB]

Posted by TAB (again):
as I said, since people have diffrent veiws from yours makes them illogical?

If you are going to skirt my question, there isn't much need to continue this dialog.
Quote:
Posted by American Pit BUll:
Can you name one logical stance that they have?

You don't have a leg to stand on until you name a logical position of someone that is against firearms ownership.
And until that time, I contend that the fear of an inanimate object is illogical... Legislating the lawful in an attempt to control the lawless is illogical... Ignoring study after study that shows that gun control doesn't reduce crime, but continuing to support the legislation rather than strictly enforce the laws already in place is illogical... Banning firearms because they look dangerous is illogical... I could go on, but I would like to see your answer to my question...

Can you prove they are illogical? To date no one has ever been able to prove one way or another that "gun control" works, or does not work. yeah sure there are lots of studys done, but there is not one that you can't punch large holes in.

Would we be have this argument if it was over something else? Say Ford vs Chevy? Or GOP vs DEM?


You really want a very logical stance from an anti... I'll give you one No guns= no gun crime. Which is 100% true.

 

[Travis Lee]

I may not be able to prove to your satisfaction that my schizophrenic neighbor is NOT receiving mind-control radar waves from aliens, Bigfoot, and George Bush.

Don't expect me to pretend to the world that I think he's rational.

Or you, if you pander to his delusions.

--Travis--

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by TAB:
I'll give you one No guns= no gun crime. Which is 100% true.

But it isn't logical to take the "equalizer" out of the 110 lb. soccer mom's hands, since there will always be crime.

This isn't a Ford vs Chevy or GOP vs DEM discussion... This is a Flat Earth vs Round Earth discussion.

 

[tbtrout]

No way, you can compromise on colors and furniture, but not your lifestyle or values.

 

[akodo]

Look, it is all about boundries. You will never find another human being whose ideology matches up exactly with yours, let alone one with the approprate plumbing and a looker to boot.

As long as she isn't going to force you into changing, and as long as you don't feel the need to force her into changing, this is just another one of those areas you don't agree with her on.

 

[TAB]

who says the equalizer needs to be a gun? Who says she need an equalizer in the 1st place?

I agree there will always be crime, but this is a ford vs chevy argument, since neither of us can prove rather or not gun control works. I beleave it doesn't, but I won't call some one that bleaves it does illogical.

 

[JWarren]

Who says she need an equalizer in the 1st place?

I'd let my wife answer that one for you, but I don't think you'd like what you hear.

Before we were married, she was raped by an abusive ex-boyfriend. A 115 pound woman isn't much of a match for a professional firefighter.


Jenn would vehemently disagree with you, and now she is an excellent shot with her Glock 19. She also reminds me to get my 1911 before we even take a drive to her parents.



-- John

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by TAB:
Who says she need an equalizer in the 1st place?

If a woman faces a large male criminal, she will need an equalizer unless she is satisfied with becoming a victim.

I must have missed your point on that one...?

Posted by TAB:
I agree there will always be crime, but this is a ford vs chevy argument, since neither of us can prove rather or not gun control works. I beleave it doesn't, but I won't call some one that bleaves it does illogical.

But there are a few things that can be proven... Crime is stopped everyday with law abiding citizens using firearms. Criminals will still have firearms even if they are illegal... An AR-15 will fire a 55gr round over 3000fps, with or without a bayonet lug or pistol grip... Etc...

Gun control is as logical as thinking that a "No Firearms" sign on a bank will prevent armed robberies.

Gun Free Zone - Get Yours Today!

Once again... If I see a logical argument that proves that disarming law abiding citizens will actually make them safer; then I will re-think my position...
Darn you Flat Earthers!

 

[JesseL]

I agree there will always be crime, but this is a ford vs chevy argument, since neither of us can prove rather or not gun control works. I beleave it doesn't, but I won't call some one that bleaves it does illogical.

If they can't keep illegal drugs out of prisons (and they can't), they'll never keep people who want guns from getting them. We have nearly a century of evidence that prohibition; whether it applies to alcohol, drugs, guns, computer software, or anything else; does not work.

You could look at the current condition of the District of Colombia as further conclusive evidence.

If there were absolutely no guns on earth, a skilled machinist could build you a fully functional machinegun in a week.

With a little digging it's not hard to prove that anyone supporting gun control is either ignorant, deranged, or pursuing a deeper agenda.

 

[TAB]

You guys are missing my point,

You can't call some one illogical, if they are stating thier IMO, on a subject that can not be proven one way or another.


I'm not saying they are right( or we are right).

 

[JesseL]

You can't call some illogical, if they are stating thier IMO, on a subject that can not be proven one way or another.

That's absolutely true.

However, it can be proven that it is impossible for gun control to achieve it's goals.

 

[eric.cartman]

Been there.
Done that.
Dropped it like a hot potato!

Now I'm happily married, Wife and I both CCW.
Find someone you agree with close to 100% on core values.
We do, and it doesn't make it any less interesting of a relationship.
Remember, she will still be the emotional gender, while you'll provide voice of reason (no offense ladies). Plus, opposite sexes are just that: opposite.

My friend, there's about 3 billion to choose from

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Posted by TAB:
You guys are missing my point,

You can't call some one illogical, if they are stating thier IMO, on a subject that can not be proven one way or another.

OK, I have to think that you are talking about the finer points of gun control and not about ownership restriction, because I would hope that you see our point about disarming law abiding citizens...

Lets look at "one gun a month" it can't be shown that it has reduced crime, but it definitely affects the law abiding citizen. If you think that the one gun a month legislation will keep a criminal from acquiring 5 handguns on any day that he wants, you many not be irrational, but you sure are gullible.

If a bill reduces crime to such an insignificant degree that it can't even be measured, but at the same time, it affects millions of citizens of the state in a negative way... Where is the rationale for the benefit of the law?