You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

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The most interesting outcome for me personally is the opportunity to make grips potentially slimmer by 10% (cartridge is 11% thinner, but of course the grip material stays the same). Although all the reviewers low-key it, the grips of the new double-stack micro-compacts are just a little thicker than those of the single stacks that they displaced. This is especially obvious when you compare Shield and Shield Plus. Now it's an opportunity to return to the old grip dimensions of Shield.

In addition... Unlike the 9mm, the bullets are always blunt. This opens an opportunity for a cutest little lever gun that Marlin can make under the new ownership. I know it's a crazy idea, but wouldn't that be cool?
If they went back to the original Shield grip and mag width it would mean one extra round in the magazine. As mentioned in the video a standard 1911 mag can hold 10 rounds of 9mm or 12 rounds of .30. If you can squeeze only two more rounds in a 1911 length mag I don't see how it would be possible to get more than one more in the shorter Shield single stack magazine.
 
I would hate to also, but my statement was "Chamber pressure in itself is irrelevant". A .22 LR has the same chamber pressure as a .45 ACP, but doesn't make the same boom. Why? Because there's a big difference in volume of gas produced. i.e. a factor besides pressure.
Ten sticks of dynamite make more noise than one.
lol, ok. :)
 
I want one in the CSX platform. I also want it in an AR PCC and a lever action. Then I could buy both for the price of one original M1 Carbine.
 
That video made me less likely not more likely to own this cartridge (an I like weird cartridges). That was a pretty bad promotional video IMHO.

yup...Came across like a video to push civilians not carrying military/police cartridges. Whole video doesnt really make sense. If this cartridge is tailor made to survive gunfights I guess LE will be left high and dry. Looks great on cabbage though. They got the whole killer cabbage invasion thing covered. After that video I think I might be better off sticking with my "military cartridge" 7.62x25 if I want a fast and light 30ish round. Keltec or ruger would be smart to put out a 7.62x25 modern design to counter S&W on this. Just a nonsense video from federal. 1911 platform in video? If I am going that big I would take a 38 super all day long over 30. Its not that hard to carry spare magazines. If someone has not designed a really slick subcompact pistol around this cartridge its going to fail fast no matter what kind of ad campaign they try.
 
If they went back to the original Shield grip and mag width it would mean one extra round in the magazine. As mentioned in the video a standard 1911 mag can hold 10 rounds of 9mm or 12 rounds of .30. If you can squeeze only two more rounds in a 1911 length mag I don't see how it would be possible to get more than one more in the shorter Shield single stack magazine.
The magazine in question would be a full-on double stack Shield Plus' magazine design, not Shield's "1.5-stack" magazine design. But its width would be less than the width of Shield Plus in 9x19, letting the grip thickness of this hypothetical "Shield Plus Minus" to return to the width of the original Shield.
 
The magazine in question would be a full-on double stack Shield Plus' magazine design, not Shield's "1.5-stack" magazine design. But its width would be less than the width of Shield Plus in 9x19, letting the grip thickness of this hypothetical "Shield Plus Minus" to return to the width of the original Shield.

I like your take on this. My Shield .45 magazine has an inside dimension of about .588 inch. Using mcb’s numbers from post #46, we are pretty close to the .649 of a double stack .30 Super. If they decide to go for it, I think S&W can get a double stack just a hair wider than the .45 “1.5 stack” Shield mag into the existing Shield .45 grip size. That won’t be a 10% increase in capacity, it will be probably close to double the capacity of the existing “1.5 stack” Shields. That is where I see the niche for this cartridge. If they don’t take advantage of this sort of thing, I don’t see the cartridge being successful.
 
They question you guys should be asking yourselves is can you have your 327 Magnum revolvers cut for moonclips and run 30 Super Carry in them on moonclips? :p Moonclips rule! :D

A quick look at the dimensions of both cartridges looks like you going to have to ream chambers a little bit too when you machine if for moonclips. Much like the way TK Custom will ream a 357 Magnum to shoot 9mm on moonclips and 38/357 with or without moonclips.
 
I'll be putting my money towards more 9mm components and ammunition.

No point in my mind, 9mm already has great capacity and it can't beat the 9mm on energy and gets its performance on near rifle pressures which is cause for concern for how heavy or unreliable these guns will be to get to high round counts like 9mm guns see as well as muzzle blast.

With 9mm if I want good SD performance and bullet expansion I can go with 124/5gr SD rounds, if I want good penetration 147gr. at 19"+ of penetration with 0.60" of expansion out of a Glock 42 nonetheless.

I would rather the companies focus on ammunition manufacturing capacity.

But to each their own.
 
I'll be putting my money towards more 9mm components and ammunition.

No point in my mind, 9mm already has great capacity and it can't beat the 9mm on energy and gets its performance on near rifle pressures which is cause for concern for how heavy or unreliable these guns will be to get to high round counts like 9mm guns see as well as muzzle blast.

With 9mm if I want good SD performance and bullet expansion I can go with 124/5gr SD rounds, if I want good penetration 147gr. at 19"+ of penetration with 0.60" of expansion out of a Glock 42 nonetheless.

I would rather the companies focus on ammunition manufacturing capacity.

But to each their own.

good choice. A year from now the hype will be over and this will most likely be looked back on as a blunder and waste of resources. It just doesn't give you much over 9mm. They would have done better to make a hot 32acp super rimless to compete with the 380. Then you could jack up the capacity on the pocket 380s and offer better penetration.
 
I think everyone is missing the point on this round.

Given the pressure and similarities to .327 Federal Magnum and .30 Carbine, this round will provide near 9mm performance in pistols, but will considerably exceed 9mm performance in SBRs and carbines. Also, 30 round 9mm sized mag will hold 35-36 rounds of .30SC.
 
It looks like a straight wall case. It would probably be less finicky to reload mixed brass than the tapered 9mm. The smaller case diameter may need a fine grain powder like A#5 or #7 for good metering. Bullseye meters well for my 32 mag reloads, but this one seems like a slower powder would work better.
 
I think everyone is missing the point on this round.

Given the pressure and similarities to .327 Federal Magnum and .30 Carbine, this round will provide near 9mm performance in pistols, but will considerably exceed 9mm performance in SBRs and carbines. Also, 30 round 9mm sized mag will hold 35-36 rounds of .30SC.

It doesn't have the case capacity of a .327 or .30 carbine which can take advantage of lots of slow burning powder that can get high speeds from longer barrels. I would not expect it to do any better in a carbine than the 9mm for that reason. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
 
What was so danged hard about calling it a “32 Super”?
Getting the focus groups to agree with you, like as not. They, no doubt, did market research on what to call this thing before ordering up box art and setting advertising copy in motion.
This thing probably has been in motion since around 2017-18, and delayed by the mess of 2020. It takes some time to get the inertia of product development, product naming, and product exploitation rolling.

Now, the 50Kpsi thing could be a serious issue. Especially in 3" barrels. That supersonic bullet at only arm's length from your ear is like to hurt, even with lightweight hearing protection. That much oomph rocking back in a micro or subcompact is going to want serious ergonomics to control.

Which, to me, makes me wonder if this beast will wind up with a "short & weak" loading, much as the 10mm birthed the 40. Pushing a 100-110gr bullet with, say 35K will really invite a "why bother" discussion.

The "sweet spot" in 8x21/30super is probably a mid-size, a Commander or R1 sized sort of arm where you could bump up from 8-10 to 10-14 capacity in a "handy" sort of 4-4.5" barrel self-loader.

Mind, the notion, from above, of a carbine in 8x21 would be slicker than all get-out. the 50K pressure moved another 14-16" away, and all, would be cool.

Time will tell.
 
I think everyone is missing the point on this round.

Given the pressure and similarities to .327 Federal Magnum and .30 Carbine, this round will provide near 9mm performance in pistols, but will considerably exceed 9mm performance in SBRs and carbines. Also, 30 round 9mm sized mag will hold 35-36 rounds of .30SC.

Off of Ballistics by the Inch website for 9mm Luger and 327 Mag in order to compare apples to apples the 9mm Luger Corbon 90gr JHP +P load matches the 327 Mag Federal 85gr Hydra-Shock load on velocity the 327Mag seems to have an advantage in longer barrels than the 9mm. But given as was stated by @fxvr5 as the 30 Super Carry not having the case capacity of the 327 Magnum (I don't have the details on the 30SC to compare), I think his premise that it will be similar performance to 9mm out of longer barrels, will probably be correct.

Not to mention what appeals to me in a PCC is subsonic use with suppressor which the 9mm has in spades with 147gr+ bullets for performance. Granted, not everyone has a suppressor but that doesn't change it's performance of 90gr through 147gr supersonic performance and uses.
 
I think everyone is missing the point on this round.

Given the pressure and similarities to .327 Federal Magnum and .30 Carbine, this round will provide near 9mm performance in pistols, but will considerably exceed 9mm performance in SBRs and carbines. Also, 30 round 9mm sized mag will hold 35-36 rounds of .30SC.

Rhetorical question....

If the point is to be dual purpose in handgun & long gun, why even call it a 'super carry'?
 
After thinking a bit, I'm more excited than I was at first.

Assuming the noise is not a problem, I think the real gain here is not the slightly expanded mag capacity, but the ability to make double-stack pistols slimmer, which is a big deal if you have small hands. Even a small dimensional change can make a significant difference in how the gun handles.

A subgun or PCC with a drum magazine would benefit too.
 
Actually it's kinda interesting that they are pushing the whole civilians have different needs than Le angle are they trying for a 9x21 thing for jurisdictions that restrict military calibers?

A little bit my tinfoil hat theory is that they want something else to use the bullets for the .327 and a semi auto subcompact family made sense to them.
 
Hmmm me thinks this would be fun in a PCC or AR pistol type of thing. Or definitely a well designed submachine gun. But I think the same about 9x25.

Not so enthused about it in a normal pistol. 100 gr seems awful heavy for a .32. I enjoy the 32 NAA I have but it would be nice if it had a bit more of a neck. Shoulda made it from 9mm rather than 380.
 
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