You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

[Demi-human]

Does the nomenclature somehow bother you?

Yes. I, personally, specifically requested a 32 Super.
(For all those who wonder who asked for one…)

To go in a 1911, along with the rest of its brethren, the Autos, the Supers and yes, even the Nine.
With the piece de la resistance, a Browning 80% in 25 Auto.
Everything in this diameter is referred to as a 32, not a thirty.
So yeah, strictly the name.

But I’m sure I’ll get over it. When we were talking up the 32Super I though that 100grains at 1300fps was entirely possible. This proves it.
And something svelt like an LCP with twelve rounds is more interesting to me than a seven shot nine millimeter Savage.

 

[Kleanbore]

I find it interesting that Federal is pushing the thing primarily on the basis of magazine capacity, citing an average hit rate of one in five in SD shootings.

They don't mention the BBL length for the advertised velocity, but the 100 grain bullet leaves the muzzle at about the same velocity as in the .327 Federal Magnum, which is far too loud for me.

 

[Old_Grouch]

Can't call it a .32 Super because Everybody Knows that all .32s are low powered and obsolescent.
Can't call it an 8mm Super (although the patent application says 8mm) because that sounds Funny Furrin and is not enough different numerically from 9mm to attract attention.

I think you're right.
Besides sounding funny furrin 8 sounds wimpy, smaller, and weaker, than 9 particularly as there are no commonly used/popular (in the U.S) metric handgun cartridges smaller than 8. I think "8mm Anything" would have been a poor choice.
32 wouldn't have been a good choice, either. "Yeah, just what we needed, another 32. .32 Auto, .32 H&R, .327 Federal, now .32 Somethingorother". YAWN!
Calling it a 30 sets it apart. It makes it a bit exotic.

I wonder how long it will be until some start asking for a rimmed version and revolvers chambered for it.

 

[John_R]

When Paul Harrell shows adequate damage to the meat target with the high tech fleece stopping it at the back, I'll consider trying this cartridge out.

 

[Zendude]

If this has recoil close to that of the 9mm, I’ll pass on a micro pocket LCP type. I’ve shot a Diamondback db9 and it was not something I want to do again.

 

[Old_Grouch]

A few have mentioned recoil. That's easy to calculate to compare it with other gun/ammo combinations. I didn't notice if the weight of the gun is published so that may need to be estimated.

https://shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php

The actual free recoil in foot pounds is not the only factor to felt/perceived recoil. i.e. grip profile, recoil impulse duration, and other factors play a role but the formula gives a good starting point for comparison.

 

[starling]

If this has recoil close to that of the 9mm, I’ll pass on a micro pocket LCP type. I’ve shot a Diamondback db9 and it was not something I want to do again.

I agree... it really needs to have the recoil overall of something like a 380acp. Otherwise there is not much point. An effective round that takes the jumpiness out of the 9mm will have a more broad appeal in terms of sales.

Maybe the goal was to make it smaller and cute for feminine shooters.

 

[Mauser lover]

45 ACP has a rim diameter of .480 A double stack of .348 rim diameter is going to be .649 (for reference a double stack of 9mm is .732)

Right. However, my question specifically revolves around some of those not-quite-double (but not-quite single) stack magazines. The S&W Shield is this way (not the Shield EZ, the "normal" Shield-they seem to have a dozen different "Shield" models). Can we get a double stack (or almost double stack) of these .30 Super in a magazine the width of a Shield .45? Anybody have a .45 Shield mag and a way to measure the inside handy?

 

[danez71]

https://www.davidsonsinc.com/s-w-mp2-shdez-30sc-3-6b-10-ts

The gun and ammo are showing up listed all sorts of places.



https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html

Did you not see the Federal link I posted? While the pages might not be inked yet, the pages exist.

The video posted is from Federal Premium.

Do you think the 30 Super Carry is not real?

Federal's home page:

https://www.federalpremium.com/

Been there for hours before you posted.

Puzzling.

 

[beeenbag]

Here ya go

 

[SDGlock23]

I honestly like this idea because I really don't have any use for the 9mm but would like a something with good capacity and sufficient performance from a small(ish) pocket gun. If they can get the price to be reasonable and a few big gun makers to offer their small guns for it then it could do okay.

Sectional density of a .312" 100gr bullet is a little more than a .355" (9mm) 124gr and the 115gr .312 is about the same as the 147gr 9mm, but both are faster than 9mm so it should penetrate pretty good. A lot of folks still like .32's so maybe this will do pretty decent, I'd buy one if the right gun was chambered for it.

 

[Kleanbore]

The number that sticks out for me is 50,000 PSI. That's higher than the .327 Federal Magnum.

 

[bersaguy]

What was so danged hard about calling it a “32 Super”?
Or “Super Automatic” if they just had to be the kid with two last names?
! With favorable get tests, a certain member may have to start saying that a thirty caliber cartridge is now the minimum for carry!

It was me! They stole my idea! Rushed it into production less than six months after I posted about it!https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/why-no-32-super-auto.894017/

 

[jeff-10]

I guess we will know soon. Dealers picking it up is a good sign that its not just creative imagination. 8mm Roth-Steyr would be a good choice as the case.

Just what the shooting world always wanted. A modified 8mm Roth-Steyr...

There are only two cartridges I can get for a reasonable price at this point. 9mm Luger and 40 S&W. I somehow doubt we will be finding 30 Super Carry at a reasonable price after the initial batch is dumped on us. Look what 357 Magnum cost and 327 Federal is basically non existent.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Just what the shooting world always wanted. A modified 8mm Roth-Steyr...

There are only two cartridges I can get for a reasonable price at this point. 9mm Luger and 40 S&W. I somehow doubt we will be finding 30 Super Carry at a reasonable price after the initial batch is dumped on us. Look what 357 Magnum cost and 327 Federal is basically non existent.

Did you process the discussion in this thread on why such a round could have benefits for carry?

 

[bersaguy]

You know, the main objection to a round like this when we discussed back in August was the high pressure/noise and recoil. And the 50k psi chamber pressure listed for the 30 SC round is indeed very, very high. Seems crazy high for such a small cartridge, which makes me think, using a very fast powder, like titewad, you could spike the chamber pressure, and by the time the bullet reaches the end of the barrel...I wonder if the pressure might not drop off to a reasonable level.

 

[C0untZer0]

I'd trust it more than .22, but it's not as ideal as .32 is.

The 100gr 30 Super Carry bullets have greater sectional density than the 73gr 32 ACP offerings. A projectile with greater sectional density going at a higher velocity has the potential to penetrate more deeply. Of course, bullet design makes a vast difference like the Federal Hydra-Shok Deep design for example.

It certainly seems like a souped-up 32 ACP to me.

I want a bunch !

 

[fxvr5]

The number that sticks out for me is 50,000 PSI. That's higher than the .327 Federal Magnum.

So? It's the same as the 356 TSW, and less than the 9X23 Winchester.

New flash! No one will force you to buy or shoot one. Really.

 

[Agsalaska]

Recoil looks to be the same as 9mm.

My guess is that it is more. It will be more like a .357 sig. Of course that's just a guess and I am looking forward to finding out.

 

[Agsalaska]

The number that sticks out for me is 50,000 PSI. That's higher than the .327 Federal Magnum.

Me too. It is going to be snappy and loud. Whether or not that is worth the trade off is yet to be seen. But I am quite certain that it will be a handful for most shooters, including me.

 

[TTv2]

The 100gr 30 Super Carry bullets have greater sectional density than the 73gr 32 ACP offerings. A projectile with greater sectional density going at a higher velocity has the potential to penetrate more deeply. Of course, bullet design makes a vast difference like the Federal Hydra-Shok Deep design for example.

It certainly seems like a souped-up 32 ACP to me.

I want a bunch !

How so?

Same bullet diameter

Heavier bullet traveling faster. 100 gr @1350 vs 71 gr @905.

I was talking about the idea of a 25 Super that JCooperfan was talking about

 

[TTv2]

There seems to be a belief that this .30 Super is going to be put into small LCP size pistols and I do not see that happening, this is clearly meant to be for P365 or Ruger LC9 size pistols. 15 rds in a P365 style pistol or 10-12 rds in a super slim single stack is worth considering, but I do have concerns about the blast.

Now, I've never shot 5.7x28 before, but that is also a 50k psi cartridge and nobody complains about muzzle blast with that, however it's fired from a 5 inch barrel, so that may make all the difference.

Idk if I really care enough to choose .30 Super over 9mm in a P365, but I would definitely consider get a .30 Super in a pistol slimmer than the LC9 or PF9.

 

[fxvr5]

My guess is that it is more. It will be more like a .357 sig. Of course that's just a guess and I am looking forward to finding out.

It's ballistically the same as a 9mm; 115 gr at ~1170fps.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.c...FkeKusv-C784W2qfv8GXtSDsDL3QwhQhUONofVKw=s596

Therefore recoil will be in the same range. check the numbers yourself. http://kwk.us/recoil.html

The 357 SIG has much more velocity and will produce much more recoil.

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

I wonder if a quad-stacked magazine of .300 Super Carry would fit into a 2011 grip frame? At full size 1911 height that would give you a 40 rounder, right?

 

[GooseGestapo]

Yawn..........
Perhaps Speer will re-release some more .312” 115gr GoldDots, and new 100gr, and 90gr GoldDots.
I really adore the .327Fed and .32H&R magnum cartridges.
Less powder, less lead, generally less recoil, greater accuracy than .9,.38,.357 handguns.


However, without primers, they’re all moot!

New brass (ammo), new dies, new leather,?
Nah, Ill pass...

Makes me appreciate my Beretta M81 even more...