Your not carrying now are you???

[Averageman]

If I may;
The point I was initally trying to make was; that the Clerks job is to process paperwork.
Does the vehicle have proper insurance, registration, and authorization to be driven on post?
How the CCL became an issue is beyond her scope of work or her business to know. What we have here is someone processing paperwork, that has the ability to take a peek at your personal business.
I found it somewhat disturbing that She felt the need to go that little bit further and then comment on the matter.
At some point you still have a right to privacy.

 

[krupparms]

I have to agree with gym on this issue! Having lived in good & bad neighborhoods, I have had home invasions in both. I am not rich! Never have been! But bad things happen to us all at random! We cannot predict when, where or why! Most of us carry for that reason. What makes anyone think they are immune to such acts! That's why they call them RANDOM ACT'S of VIOLENCE! Be prepared everywhere, not just outside. It can happen to us anywhere & anytime. Hey gym where can I get that bath rack from? I could use that!

 

[Fred_G]

This stuck in my head after a recent pistol class.

"When confronted with a violent armed criminal, there are 2 reactions. 'I cant' believe this is happening' or 'I had a feeling something like this might happen'."

I don't carry in the shower. I do have 50 pounds of 4 legged canine crazy to warn me if something is up...

 

[tarosean]

That is not correct sir! In Texas you may carry unlicensed in a private vehicle. That is a primary reason that there are not more CHL holders as many people feel that it is not necessary for them to actually have a gun on their hip as long as they have one in their car.

I would imagine it has more to do with our 8-10hr training and several hundred dollars payed to the state and instructors. (I realize class time has recently been lowered)

I have no clue what TN's costs are though..

 

[X-JaVeN-X]

Well, now you have seen it - so what? SOME folks are highly paranoid that everyone is out to get them; after all, the voices in their head have told them so.... and some of us prefer to NOT be so paranoid. If you truly want to prevent ANY bad things from happening to you, buy a mountain top somewhere miles from anyone and live there off the grid and be completely self-sustaining. Personally, life is too short to go through it in a constant state of fear and paranoia.
If you live where things are that bad, then take the advice of others on the thread about CA - MOVE.........I refuse to live in a constant state of fear and paranoia - prepared is one thing, taking a gun into the shower IMO is grounds for a mental disqualification.

SO flame suit on!

Your idea of equating paranoia with readiness is nauseating and ignorant.

Do you wear your seat belt in your car because you're paranoid? Do you buy health insurance because you're paranoid? I could name many more instances, but I'm guessing you'd brush them off much like the countless horror stories that have happened to other people (including those already mentioned in this very thread). Some people just need to learn the hard way...hopefully you never have to learn this lesson the hard way, but you have certainly set yourself up nicely to do so...Good luck with that.

 

[Sam Cade]

I have no clue what TN's costs are though..

$115 to the state plus 8 hours class time and associated fees IIRC.

 

[Darkhorse]

When I shower I put my 9mm on a flat surface just outside the shower and cover it with my towel. I know it's there, but any "surprise" visitors don't!

Prepared, not paranoid

 

[Ivy Mike]

Your idea of equating paranoia with readiness is nauseating and ignorant.

Do you wear your seat belt in your car because you're paranoid? Do you buy health insurance because you're paranoid? I could name many more instances, but I'm guessing you'd brush them off much like the countless horror stories that have happened to other people (including those already mentioned in this very thread). Some people just need to learn the hard way...hopefully you never have to learn this lesson the hard way, but you have certainly set yourself up nicely to do so...Good luck with that.

Seat belts don't kill people.
Health insurance doesn't kill people.

If you want to compare apples to apples, maybe discuss how more trained gun owners might stop school shootings although ready access to handguns may have played a part in the shooters being so armed. Maybe a look at why the shooters snapped might yield a better method of preventing violence which likely has little to do with guns.

But if you're going to try to counter the points of the other side, don't lead with those same weak arguments that are so easily defeated.

 

[tarosean]

$115 to the state plus 8 hours class time and associated fees IIRC.

Well that's only about 25 bucks cheaper (TX =140 1st/70 renewals)

There goes that theory.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Yes, I am carrying now, I will be tonight, and tomorrow morning on the way to work.

 

[AlexanderA]

The wide availability of concealed-carry databases (such as by being linked to drivers' licenses, etc.) almost negates the whole concept of concealment. When these licensing systems are set up, there should be a strong component of privacy. Lists of license holders should definitely not be available to the public. Even law enforcement officers should have access only on a need-to-know basis.

 

[Fred_G]

When I shower I put my 9mm on a flat surface just outside the shower and cover it with my towel. I know it's there, but any "surprise" visitors don't!

Prepared, not paranoid

This has me re-thinking the viability of the Glock...

 

[TX_Shooter]

Texas population is around 26 million and has just under 600,000 CHL holders with no unlicensed carry.

In Texas, due to the heavy population of illegals, there are more than 600K but not legit CHL holders in Texas.

 

[we are not amused]

I agree with gym!

If one can't drive their Rolls or Porsche with out being accused of setting themselves up as a target, then something is wrong! What is the point of having expensive fun toys if one is afraid to use them!

As for living in a "good neighborhood", a friend of mine who lives in a "good neighborhood" always carries as do many of his neighbors, "in order to keep it a good neighborhood." The quotes are his, in response to an anti-gun idiot who questioned his sanity about always carrying. It is that kind of attitude which keeps his neighborhood safe, as opposed to that of silly, unthinking Pollyanna's which question the sanity of people who take the effort to keep not only themselves, but their neighbors safe too.

As for carrying in the shower, not for me, but anyone who saw the Hitchcock thriller "Psycho" and remembers the shower scene, has to have at least considered it!

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Seat belts don't kill people.
Health insurance doesn't kill people.

If you want to compare apples to apples.....

You are clearly wrong. Seat belts have killed many people that have not been able to free themselves from a burning wreck. They have also been named in deaths by LEO that surmise that "had they NOT been wearing a seatbelt, they likely would have been thrown clear." Have seat belts though, for the most part, been good for people? Yes.
HMOs? Malpractice cases? That's your health insurance killing you, forcing you to go to substandard doctors and not covering proper tests. Has health insurance though, for the most part, been good for people? Yes.
People armed with guns murder people. Have guns though, for the most part, been good for people? Yes.

 

[oneounceload]

Your idea of equating paranoia with readiness is nauseating and ignorant.

No more so than your paranoia trying to prepare for impossible-odds "what-if" scenarios dreamed up by a video gamer - but feel free to live in a constant state of fear - that stress alone will shorten your life in and of itself
Have a great day, try not to worry about being killed today, the weather is too nice for that

 

[gym]

You do realize that yesterday alone in Palm Beach County there were at least
4 different shootings before dinner. One put 4 people in the hospital. And they caught the crew leader of the "dinner time " bandits, with over a quarter million in jewelry from home invasion type robberies, "got their name for the time of day they hit people". This is by far a dangerous place to live. everyone has a gun, good and bad, and they aren't afraid to walk into your house and rob you. The least you can do is keep your doors locked and put your alarm on.

 

[Mike1234567]

Not much scares me but I carry because I'm not going to be an easy target. Fear has nothing to do with it.

 

[oneounceload]

That's too bad for PBC - I do not live there, it is a bit of a cesspool as is most of South Florida.

Again, where I live, I can sit in my living room at night watching TV with the doors and windows open until I go to bed, then I lock the door. Do I have gun on the nightstand? Sure, but I am also a light sleeper and am usually awake somewhere around 3 or 4 anyway (if you aren't above 50 yet, you won't appreciate that comment )

Point is this, gym, there's a whole lot of folks who bash those in CA, NY and other places about how they need to move to "A Free State" but then those same folks talk about how they need to have a gun while sitting on the john because "they read somewhere on the internet that that is when the gangs break the doors down".......sorry, IMO, that is NOT a free state, not when you are not free enough from fear or crime to go to the bathroom, or walk to your mailbox or sit in your living room without fear of hordes of gang bangers invading. Just MY opinion, but that is borderline paranoia, but if that is truly the situation where you live, then perhaps you need to move to a non-free state where the crime is less........ just saying............

 

[gym]

I live 5 counties north of there, but I did live there until 5 years ago, on the Boca Raton border. We never had a robbery in our neighborhood in the 15 years I lived there or owned a business there. But the past few years South FL, is not a place to be unarmed ever. I am over 60 and carried for 43 years, since I was 22. I have seen shootings in the best neighborhoods and the worse. You can't determine that where you live has any bearing with the likelihood of your having an incident. Only that there are more incidents daily.
And they are more brazen than ever. If you have a license or are allowed by law to carry, then why not have a gun in your pocket? It doesn't take any more space than a phone, and may save your life.

 

[KTXdm9]

I sure wish some of these folks who can see the future to know that they aren't going to be attacked would share their special talents with the rest of us.

I'd rather have it and not need it than the opposite. I guess I'm "paranoid" that way.

 

[oneounceload]

Guess you are, and I am glad that my devil's Advocate approach might get a few thinking.....

If you can tell me when you are you are going to die from whatever cause, please enlighten us. If you can't, do you spend every waking moment of your life worrying about it? Are you worried about dying today from a lightning strike, meteor piece from space, drunk driver, slip in the tub? If not, why not? Simple, the odds aren't there, and if you live someplace other than Compton, Detroit, or similar, you play those odds. I prefer to relish the moments I have left on this Earth rather than to live in a constant state of fear and what-if scenarios.

I have a shooting friend whose wife LOVES to travel. However, her husband will not travel anywhere he can't carry, so any cruise, trip to Canada, Europe, Oceania, South America and states where half her family lives aren't happening. Sorry, IMO, that is NOT living, but merely living in a state of fear waiting to die..........y'all can have that; I would rather die earlier having lived a full life than died later having regretted never experiencing anything because "the (fill in the blank) were out to get me"
If you truly feel you can't go to the john without carrying a gun, you have issues......whether they are real or not is between you and the voices in your head....

 

[shep854]

Almost daily for over 20 years. Thankfully, I haven't needed it yet. I DO seek to avoid situations where I won't need it, but if the situation comes to me, I want to have the option to not be a sheep--either for fleecing or slaughter.
Sadly, Bad Guys do target 'Nice Places', because the residents are often unprepared for criminal activity.

 

[Ignition Override]

Don't plan to, except when on errands.

Will acquire the CCL next year, mostly in order to have it in preparation for retirement next year. With most hair turning very gray, it could invite a mugger or carjacker.
During the next panic, the CC classes will probably be backed up for quite a while, especially if the mass stampede is caused by a tragedy involving a handgun.

 

[Specs]

It's usually a fudd, hoplophobe, anti, or a prohibited individual whether by a nanny or by a nanny state who argues against being armed to be prepared. I am armed whenever possible, and that means that I am constantly armed.

Since home invasions usually occur in homes, especially nice homes, being armed in my home is probably more important than being armed on the street. Since most of my time is spent in and around my home in a rural, secluded area, I am most vulnerable at home. Since I am almost 70 years of age I present a soft target since my knees won't let me run very far, and I have lost much of the strength of my youth. Paranoid? Don't be silly. I am prepared as best as I can be.