Does anybody make a .45ACP load in 230gr. at about 1050fps?

I do appologize Blues... I think I was having a bad day when I posted that. And I think I might have been taking out my agressions towards some other folks (posters claiming to disagree with basically known facts) on you and again, for that I appoligize here... in public.

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Cratz...You're a class act. I'll buy you AND the BluesBear a cold one.

In my best Cartman voice... SWEEETTT!!!

As long as it's a Labats.

And I'll buy Blues two.

I make them all the time, but I shoot them in my 25-5 Smith revolver. The HydroShock 230 at its factory velocity works fine for me in my semi autos.

cratz2, no worries.

We all have our moments.
Some days are diamonds and some days are coal.

Like I said, it's damn near impossible to insult me.

And I wasn't really worried about it. Having read a fair number of your posts on various topics, most of the time I agree with you too.

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Ahhh...BluesBear, you're a gentleman and a scholar. This High Road draws
some classy folks, don't it? I guess that's why it's called The High Road!

Jammin'..
Tuner

WonderNine,

I've found that the relationship P1/V1^2 = P2/V2^2 is pretty good for estimating potential pressures and velocities (it also agrees, more or less, with Tuner's rule of thumb of 10% pressure increase for ~ 5% velocity increase).

Let's assume that Winchester has managed make the most efficient 45 ACP +p possible by squeezing out 990 FPS while exactly hitting, but not exceeding 23,000 psi.

If this were the case, the least pressure one could hope for @ 1050 would be ~ 25,900 psi. In actuality, it could probably done with somewhat lower pressures, as powder tends to burn more efficiently at higer pressures.

Anyway, as someone stated, the load would likely be somewhere between +p and Super pressures. Sounds like Enforcer a powder worth trying in this application (AA#7 might also work well, and will give low flash).

As to how this load will affect your 1911; I'm not going to get in a pissing match with Tuner.

BTW, Tuner. What's your take, in general, on putting a limited amount of 45 Super through 1911s? (Assume shock buffs, oversize FP stops, and all that good stuff). How do they hold up over time? I've got a nice, hard chromed MK IV, all nicely set up for 45 Super, and I'm itching rev it up and take it around the block next week.

My 10mm 1911 (and those of many others) will easily make 260 PF without falling apart. (Although I don't run many of those through it)

Crank up the Pressure

gman asked:

BTW, Tuner. What's your take, in general, on putting a limited amount of 45 Super through 1911s? (Assume shock buffs, oversize FP stops, and all that good stuff). How do they hold up over time? I've got a nice, hard chromed MK IV, all nicely set up for 45 Super, and I'm itching rev it up and take it around the block next week.

Howdy gman,

The answer is....it depends on the gun, or, more specifically, the barrel fit. Generally accepted wisdom would dictate that higher pressures will accelerate wear and shorten service life of any gun. Just how MUCH .45 Super would shorten the life of your pistol depends to a great extent on how much locking lug engagement it has. 70% lug engagement would hold up better than 60% but not as long as 90%, etc.

Then, there's the question of...even with 95-100% lug engagement, are
the lugs all bearing an equal amount of the stress?

These mechanical factors will affect the life of the gun with standard
pressure, or even "Softball" target ammo too...it just won't show up as
early as with the higher intensity stuff.

The 1911 is plenty strong enough to withstand extremely high pressures without turning into a grenade with a pistol grip...even the older ones...
assuming that the barrel provides adequate case-head support. The
wild card is the locking lugs,and how much of their surface is available to
take the pounding. If your pistol has close to 100%, with all lugs bearing equally, a limited amount will be fine. If it has 70%, it will tolerate less.
If one lug is bearing most of the load, the lug could be damaged or even
sheared off pretty quickly.

Luck!

Tuner

How about a .44 special at 1100 fps or more, with a 240 grain bullet, Elmer Kieth used to do this all the time.

.44 Special

T'was said:

How about a .44 special at 1100 fps or more, with a 240 grain bullet, Elmer Kieth used to do this all the time.
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That was actually a 250 grain bullet at 1200 fps...and the load was 18
grains of 2400. Uncle Elmer also blew the loading gates off of more than
a couple of 1873 Colts with that load.

He also didn't have locking lugs and a reciprocating slide to contend with.
Apples to oranges...

Cheers!

Tuner

1911Tuner

I didnt know it was mentioned earlier, i didnt bother to read all the posts.

Elmer kieth was veryy succesful in hot rodding the .44 special which as you may know led to the .44 magnum. I was suggseting a similiar load and maybe a similiar weapon, not loading a .44 special in a automatic.

Why does one need to hot rod the .45 acp when we have the guns and rounds that deliver the same performance out of the box, this is of course if you dont have anything but a .45 auto, oh well.

Elmer's 44s

Bopleo said:

I was suggseting a similiar load and maybe a similiar weapon, not loading a .44 special in a automatic.

Ah! Okay. I thought it was a correlation between the .44 being overloaded safely and a souped-up .45 ACP in a 1911 or other autopistol.
We're on the same page now...

And while we're on it...Elmer was also the driving force behind the .41 Magnum. The .357 magnum came from the old 38-44 round, which was a
hotrodded .38 Special. So named because it was only meant to be fired in a large-framed revolver...a 38 on a 44 frame (N frame) and similar large Colts. Because, even though it was loaded to extreme pressures, it would still chamber in a K-frame-sized .38 Special revolver...with predictable results. The .357 was stretched out .100 inch to prevent this. When the
.44 magnum came along, the lessons learned from the 38-44 resulted in
a "stretched" .44 Special, and the rest is history.

Original .44 Magnum loading was a 240-grain swaged lead SWC with a gas check. This load turned in the highest velocities in the caliber for that weight bullet...I've chronographed some lots at 1450+fps from a 6-inch barrel. I still have some of that old ammunition, and it's apparent
that today's 240-grain loadings bring it down quite a bit. It didn't lead the
bores at all, due to the gas check, and I alwyas wondered why the original
158-grain swaged lead bullet of the .357 Magnum didn't get one too. Those .357s were hot, too, and they leaded the bores badly. I've seen
it coat the rifling so badly that after about 25 rounds, the riflling wasn't
visible. This is the load that was advertised at 1550 fps out of an 8 and
3/8ths inch barrel. Mostof it would hit very close to 1400 in a 6-inch tube,
but I never clocked any that would quite reach 1500 in a longer barrel.

FWIW, I've duplicated both loadings with 2400, and with only mild pressure
signs. I won't post the data here, though. You wheelgun hot rodders will
have to figure it out.


Cheers!

Tuner

P.S. Who remembers the 38-44 Bain & Davis? WOWZER! (Nothing new under the sun it seems).

maybe wondernine is looking to load accurate long range loads that might shoot flat, but unlikely i guess after reading the two holes leak better statement....... has he posted what he wants to load these for yet?

Doubletap has a 230gr HP Gold Dot load that clocks 1014fps. Been using for carry ammo for awhile now. Supposedly it's not a +P loading either. It definetly feels warm but I always get good expansion out of that 230gr GD.

Doubletap has a 230gr HP Gold Dot load that clocks 1014fps. Been using for carry ammo for awhile now.

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What strength recoil spring are you using? Are you using a buffer?

This thread is over five years old.

As far as overpressure, overpowered ammunition is concerned, if you can control it in rapid fire and don't mind increased wear on the gun, go for it. I feel no need for it myself.

Vern, ain't been shooting them out of a 1911, Glock, HK, and FN45 mainly.