Does anybody make a .45ACP load in 230gr. at about 1050fps?

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To me the .45 seems loaded pretty anemically for the cartridge size. I know with liability and older 1911's out there though this is an issue. But the strongest point of the .45 other than the large hole seems to be the energy produced while still remaining subsonic. Soooooo, that said, I was wondering if there are any good +P or +P+ 230gr. .45 loads out there at about 1050? This would come to about 563ft/lbs of energy. Penetration worries me alot with this round in its standard loading and as we all know two holes leak better than one.

I believe the Winchester +P Law Enforcement load is about 950 fps according to their 2002 LEO catalog. I know it wouldn't be the best on even modern 1911's, but I wish they would update the cartridge a little or something.
 
I'm not aware of any factory load that would duplicate what you're looking for - at least, not in .45 ACP. .45 Super will do it, plus a bit more. .460 Rowland will considerably exceed it - it's no problem to get a 230gr. JHP up to 1,300 fps in the Rowland (a 185gr. JHP clocks over 1,500 fps from a 5" barrel!)
 
Ask and ye shall receive...

Sounds like you're asking for the .450 SMC (that's Short Magnum Cartridge.) The round has the same outer dimensions as a .45 ACP, but has been internally strengthened to allow the round to be loaded hotter. According to Triton's info on the round, you shouldn't shoot it through a conventional .45 until a proper conversion has been done. (I would assume this means a heckuva stout recoil spring.)

Velocity with a 230 grain bullet is 1150 fps. (According to their website, anyway.)

More info here:
http://www.tritonammo.com/products/450SMC.shtml
 
It seems in another thread I read that the .45ACP brass is stronger than the .40S&W blah blah blah, don't know from personal experience as I don't reload, but the .40 operates at a higher pressure, why can't the .45 brass take a little higher pressure in an updated gun especially with a supported chamber?
 
You can take -06 brass, trim it to .45acp length, expand it, ream the neck, light load it and fireform.

Then you can load it a LOT hotter than standard ACP brass. And yeah you'll need a heavier recoil spring alright. And you'll have to watch your barrel link and slide stop cause they're gonna take a pounding.

My advice also would be to load one, drop the mag and then test fire. Load another, drop the mag and repeat. The less throating on the feed ramp the better.

Don't ask me why I know to reccomend this. :what:
 
Carbonator wrote:
Running quickly towards your opponent should gain another 15 fps or so.
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:D Let us not forget that you can probably also add another 50fps by "whipping" the muzzle down towards the target.... :p
 
Why push the limits with a gun when there are other guns (or modification kits) that do what you want and are well within their design limits?

If you want a magnum buy a magnum.

The only production 1911's out there with a supported barrel are the guns from Para-Ordnance. Fooling with high pressure 45's without a supported barrel will KB and it will do it in a hurry. BB makes a very good recommendation about dropping the mag before shooting the high pressure loads, otherwise that is just more ejecta to harm you.

What a lot of people forget is that low pressures are a good thing.
 
Velocity with a 230 grain bullet is 1150 fps.
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The gun they picture appears to have a barrel and slide substantially longer than that on a standard 1911. So that's more velocity from the barrel, and more inertial mass from the slide. I'd really be reluctant to shoot these out of, say, my Les Baer Premier II no matter WHAT kind of recoil spring I put in.

For crying out loud, they needed to switch to a RIFLE primer on these things - what kind of pressures are they producing, and do you REALLY want to work into the gun's safety margin to this degree?

Even if your gun doesn't blow up, shooting these will beat the $%!@ out of it.

950 is pretty much the limit with a 230 - today's "+P" loads will do it, and many decades ago, Winchester had a "Super-X" load - metal piercing, IIRC - that did the same.
 
RE: HARDBALL PENETRATION

The traditional 230gr hardball bullet all but never, EVER, stays in a human body but gives through and through penetration. This has been known for 80+ years. Please read up on your gun history!
 
.45 Super will give you 230gr @ 1,100 ft/sec. Probably want a heavier recoil spring, but it will shoot out of a .45 ACP handgun with no further modifications.
 
1050 fps with a 230g bullet from 45ACP? Wow, getting into the +P++range aren't we? Talk about accelerated wear on the weapon! OH Well, anything can be done if you're a mind to.
 
Horse Hockey

The traditional 230gr hardball bullet all but never, EVER, stays in a human body but gives through and through penetration.
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OK, PROVE IT! :scrutiny:

And don't give me that "read your history" baloney.
You might want to think this through and through since you brought that statement to the hoedown, you'd better be prepared to dance with it.
 
1050 fps with a 230g bullet from 45ACP? Wow, getting into the +P++range aren't we? Talk about accelerated wear on the weapon! OH Well, anything can be done if you're a mind to.
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Yea, as I mentioned, I'm sure it's not a great idea in a standard 1911.
 
.450SMC never got off the ground. Triton is belly-up. I've shot both .450 SMC and .45 Super through a Glock 21, changing only the recoil spring, with no problem.
 
Let's get serious ...


Nonexistent .45 Franken-mutant rounds like the 450SnotStomper never got off the ground, much less hit the shelves of your corner gunshop.

.45/230gn @ 1050? Well, the .45Super from Texas Ammo gives you something more than the BigSlo in .45acp, but why bother?

In 10mm AUTO, you can get a 220gn Poly-FP @ 1125fps/618fpe, or a 200gn FMJ-FP @ 1270fps/715fpe, or a 200gn XTP-HP @ 1250fps/694fpe - all without blowing up your 1911. ;)

'Course, you do need to get a 10mm pistol, :D but hey ...

See: http://www.doubletapammo.com/main_site/index.html
 
Check the Ramshot web site, although ain't tried Enforcer yet. Maybe another myth goes down the tubes, slow powders may work.
 
I have tried the Ramshot Enforcer load and get 1030fps with a 230gr bullet.
 
"You can take -06 brass, trim it to .45acp length, expand it, ream the neck, light load it and fireform."

That would be the .451 Detonics from about 20 years+ ago.
 
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