10mm or .45ACP?

[HiFidelity]

I shot a deer years back with a kimber 45acp at a lasered 185 yards with a handloaded 185xtp. It broke both front shoulders with complete penetration, I am thinking it was slow enough at that range it did not expand but it did the job.

Am I the only one that caught this? Are you serious?

 

[duwulf]

Just my personal experience. I have a beretta px4 45, a Taurus 1911 45, and a g20. Out of the three I shoot the g20 more accurately, its lighter than the 1911, and holds almost as many rounds as both the storm and 1911 put together.

The ammo is exspensive but if you shop around you can find good deals. Like at http://www.georgia-arms.com/ I dont have any experience with the ammo, yet, but its about 50 cents a round before shipping. Not too bad.

I say get which ever you shoot better, for me its the 10mm. I dont know why but with a 45 I hit 5 to 6 inches low regardless of the gun. I need more time at the range.

Oh and I'm no expert but alot of people are saying the 10mm tops out at 800 fps I thought that was the watered down loads. There are some gold dots on the above web site that the makers say hit over 1300fps. But again I have no experience with them, yet.

 

[Gryffydd]

Oh and I'm no expert but alot of people are saying the 10mm tops out at 800 fps

Not fps, foot pounds of muzzle energy. Not even the watered down loads are 800fps

 

[Diamondback6]

I seem to recall a G&A Book of the 1911 several years back where a retired SF guy built a 10mm longslide for a Serious Social Sidearm--although his was a 6", I've been jonesing for a 7" 10mm (with spare barrel in .45ACP) ever since.

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[ParaElite]

I remember when Coonan Arms offered a .357 Magnum in a 1911 type platform. I always dreamed of owning one but they went out of business. You can still find them in the used gun market every once in a while but where are you going to find spare parts and magazines which were very wide!

I wanted to load 125 grainers and shoot it. I never got a chance and so when the 10mm came out I was not paying attention and never purchased any of the S&W pistols or Star Megastars in 10mm which from what I have read were built like tanks.

I did not for a moment think that the 10mm was a .41 magnum especially when shot from a revolver. From what I can remember vaguely, it was said that the .41 magnum was actually a better cartridge than the .44 magnum.

A lot of people back then used to shoot .44 special loads in their .44 mangnums. I once shot a 4" S&W in .44 magnum revolver and even with rubber grips the recoil was severe.

Coming in late to the 10mm scene I decided to go with the Tanfoglio Witness Elite series and bought the Match because it is quite beefed up and in my opinion better thought out than the Bren Ten. Unfortunately it came with what seemed to be a 9mm strength main spring!
I contacted Alan Dugger at Springco and he sent me one of his recoil management guide rods (with the nested spring) and over that I installed a Wolff 20lb main spring.

My Match pistol seems to be holding out well shooting Double Tap target loads. I have read where others have done similar or exact things to their Match pistols in 10mm. It can still be obtained for under $500 dollars + Springco + Wolff = still a lot cheaper than a lot of offerings out there.

Finally, Bob Serva at Fusion Firearms makes quite a few design options for the 6" 10mm long slides for hunting and the shorter 5" or even shorter still for CCW in the 1911 platform and they are very attractively priced.

 

[sqlbullet]

Not fps, foot pounds of muzzle energy. Not even the watered down loads are 800fps

Just to clarify, 180 grain projectiles in 10mm auto at full power make 1300-1350 fps.

800 fps would be a very very light load. The FBI load was 980 fps.

My Witness Elite Match is holding up great. I have a wolff 22lb recoil spring in it. It is an excellent value.

 

[LeonCarr]

Nowadays I carry a Sig P220 .45 most of the time. In a conversation at work the other day I was asked if I had to choose another handgun, what handgun would I buy?

I said without hesitation a Glock 20SF 10mm loaded with either 135 Doubletaps or 135 Cor-Bons.

I like the .45 for cheaper and easier to find ammo, but the 10mm will do everything folks say it will and more.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[Holgersen]

seriously a 10mm vs. .45 acp thread. Is this the new 9mm vs. .45 ACP debate or something.

If you want hard to find ammo and already have a .45 you can get a .400 corbon barrel for your .45, which shoots ammo that is supposed to be the same as the 10mm. Kind of like the .357sig is supposed to be like the .357 magnum. Then you get the best of both worlds.

If we are going to talk about power and all this bull&$^# why don't you carry a smith and wesson .500 magnum?

Probably because it's too heavy and too expensive.

 

[Gunfighter123]

If we are going to talk about power and all this bull&$^# why don't you carry a smith and wesson .500 magnum?

Probably because it's too heavy and too expensive.

They make that in a SEMI_AUTO ????

 

[Demitrios]

I actually just bought myself a 10mm, Dan Wesson Razorback 10. Using American Eagle 180 gr. FMJ rounds the kick is identical to my RIA .45. Hard to find ammo? Yeah it's a bitch to get sometimes but it's power is undeniable and if you reload then all your .40 S&W stuff will work with 10mm (except with 10mm you need large primers and of course 10mm brass). The question is do you NEED all that power? If you're going hiking in the woods and want to defend yourself from smaller bear or larger cats then yes it'd be nice to have. I bought and carry mine to defend myself from stupid creatures I call humans. If you're not getting it for a practical reason then you're just buying an "oddball" round that's fun to have and shoot simply because you have it. . . . . . . and if that's your thing all the more power to you because I love my oddball gun.

 

[sqlbullet]

you can get a .400 corbon barrel for your .45, which shoots ammo that is supposed to be the same as the 10mm

Except the 400 corbon is significantly harder to find locally than 10mm. yeah, 10mm won't likely be at wally-world, but in my area most gunshops have it. Many bulk loaders (Georgia Arms, BVAC) also load 10mm and have decent prices.

And, the 400 corbon is not similar in power to the 10mm. It falls between 10mm and 40 S&W, but decidedly on the 40 S&W side, especially with the heavier projectiles desirable for mtn/woods carry.

I suppose if you already had a gun with a 45 ACP breech face, and wanted to fire .400 projectiles, I could see the draw as a cheap way to get there. However, the OP is deciding on which caliber to order his gun in. If he decides on the 10mm, he can order barrels for 40 S&W, 357 sig and 9X25 for that gun. I would rather that versatility.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Except the 400 Corbon is significantly harder to find locally than 10mm.

But not harder to find than .45 ACP. And the .400 Corbon is simply a necked-down .45 ACP. If you want a .400 Corbon pistol, all you need is a new barrel for your M1911.

 

[armchairQB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by countryrebel
I shot a deer years back with a kimber 45acp at a lasered 185 yards with a handloaded 185xtp. It broke both front shoulders with complete penetration, I am thinking it was slow enough at that range it did not expand but it did the job.

Am I the only one that caught this? Are you serious?

Some things are better left ignored.

 

[TheGrimReaper]

10MM for me too. A lot of debate on the price of ammo. Around here it is exactly the same price as .45 ACP.

 

[tactikel]

I was really considering a 10mm last year before the shortages. My local Gun shop had 40 boxes of .45 acp on the shelf, 20+ boxes of .40 SW, and ONE box of 10mm- "we don't get much call for it". Im a handloader but that really turned my off- now with the shelfs cleared off of 9mm and .40 he probably has the same box of 10mm for sale

 

[m2steven]

Seriously - i'd get whichever has the most reasonably priced ammo supply.

 

[Dan-O]

 

[Gunfighter123]

Dan-O ,
Now thats FUNNY

 

[Lone_Gunman]

If you are carrying a 10mm for defense in the woods, do you really want an automatic, or would you be better off with a revolver? If a bear is chewing off your face, I would question whether an automatic is going to be anything other than a single shot.

I am not too worried about a 10mm hurting my girly wrists, since I shoot a good bit of 44 magnum... I think that has it beat.

 

[Seven For Sure]

The 10mm is a great caliber. I prefer the felt recoil of 10mm DT in my 20 to 40 DT in my 22. I'm one of those that choose 16 rds. of hot 200 gr. 10mm to 6 rds. of 44 mag for defense from animals. Also have a 6.5" 610 that works fine on hogs at distance.

 

[IdahoLT1]

I actually just bought myself a 10mm, Dan Wesson Razorback 10. Using American Eagle 180 gr. FMJ rounds the kick is identical to my RIA .45. .

thats because its a very light loaded 10mm. American eagle 10mm 180gr FMJ's have a velocity of 1050fps compared to the 180gr. 40S&W velocity of 1000fps. American eagle 10mm is garbage. that load is 250fps slower than a true 10mm load. if you only buy that, you might as well stay with the 40S&W. i bought 1 box one time and that was just to keep the brass.

True 10mm like DT's 200gr. 1275fps load will recoil much more than a 45 but its still manageable.

 

[IdahoLT1]

If you are carrying a 10mm for defense in the woods, do you really want an automatic, or would you be better off with a revolver? If a bear is chewing off your face, I would question whether an automatic is going to be anything other than a single shot.

I am not too worried about a 10mm hurting my girly wrists, since I shoot a good bit of 44 magnum... I think that has it beat.

I believe the 10mm is the best of both worlds(autoloader and magnum powered revolver). Alot of the people who carry it for hunting, hiking, camping or whatever, realize that it obviously isnt as powerful as a .44mag but can still stop a black bear. And those same people probably realize that a 9mm might not have the penetrating power against another human wearing heavy clothing and the .45acp generally doesnt have the firepower needed to possibly engage multiple targets.

I believe the 10mm is the best cartridge out there. What other cartridge has the firepower(i.e. capacity for multiple targets), magnum powered energy(equivelant to a 357mag) and ability to penetrate heavy clothing/thick skin with heavy bullets, while being able to be used in a faster firing pistol(autoloader vs. revolver)?

The whole girly wrist thing is just about the FBI not accepting the 10mm because some of the agents were having problems with control. I owned a Ruger Redhawk .44mag and the recoil is noticeably greater. Even my Taurus 357mag with a 2.5" barrel has more recoil than my S&W 1006 because of its lighter weight and the S&W soaking up more of the recoil.

 

[Gryffydd]

the .45acp generally doesnt have the firepower needed to possibly engage multiple targets.

Maybe that used to be the case, but these days there's plenty of 13+ round .45 guns.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Maybe that used to be the case, but these days there's plenty of 13+ round .45 guns.

Thats why i said generally. I know the FNP can carry 14 and 15+1 and the Taurus OSS, millenium or 845 can carry 12+1 but most 45's are limited to 7-10 rounds in the mag.

 

[mokin]

Which round can you afford to practice the most with?