jlr1962 said:I have attempted to meet with several people claiming to shoot rifles, or handguns who have made claims on many gun forums, job sites, co-workers. Not one has shown up from any forum. A couple of co-workers have shown up. They were "off" that day for some reason.
jlr1962 said:The NRA competitive shooters seem to stay away from these forums for some reason.
BTW, I am sure that some people can actually shoot as well as they claim.
I got booted for stirring the pot and gambling, or so I was told. You are right though. No real risk on my part. I am not going to gamble with somebody until see them shoot. Kind of like the old days when we could drag race locally without being interrupted. You didn't heads up race somebody out of your league.And, if I may ask, what risk are you yourself accepting in doing so? Do you give them your most expensive gun if they do deliver, for instance? Would you be as willing to challenge people if it involved some risk on your part?
There are plenty of competitive shooters here, and some are very excellent. They often keep a low profile, though.
Competitive shooters will often also join competition-specific forums, but the discussions there are generally match chat, tips for improvement, questions about gear, etc. There are few, if any silly "here's how small a group I can shoot - what can you do?" or "my gun is better than yours" types of threads. In the end, match performance is all that matters there.
I hear ya. I have a Buckmark. I shoot it more accurately than any of my other guns. Nothing close to what I see as far as NRA scores. I do think all of those published scores are real BTW.This thread has gotten me to wanting a more accurate .22. I have a Mk 2, but it's got a scope on it that I don't wanna take off. Now, I'm not going to buy a Smith M41 or something crazy expensive, but I've always thought I'd like to add a Buckmark to my collection.
Any experience Bullseye shooters give me input on an affordable ACCURATE .22? Would the Buckmark suit me or do I need to get another Ruger for the aftermarket goodies I can get for it eventually if I were to get serious?
This thread inspired me to go shoot my scoped Mk 2 yesterday bullseye style. I would do real good if I stopped and rested, but that gun/scope got heavy trying to shoot 10 rounds consecutively. Scopes are cheating, I know, but it's my most accurate .22 not including my scoped TC 10" barrel.
At the risk of being banned from yet another forum.....
I have attempted to meet with several people claiming to shoot rifles, or handguns who have made claims on many gun forums, job sites, co-workers. Not one has shown up from any forum. A couple of co-workers have shown up. They were "off" that day for some reason.
The NRA competitive shooters seem to stay away from these forums for some reason.
BTW, I am sure that some people can actually shoot as well as they claim.
I'm a serious competitor. You can go to the competition forums and see many of my posts. I post here regularly.
Good groups at 25 simply take lots of practice. In 38 special I shoot 10-15k per year. Almost the sane amount of 45 ACP, and about half as much 22lr.
That's what it takes to shoot good at 50 & 25 yards.
jlr1962 said:Do you believe every post you see as far as "I shot this at X distance"?
Yes, we often see pictures of shot groups posted disclosed as "best or smallest" shot groups fired and not the average or typical.guyfromohio said:True.... I've never shot a group and said "my, this is exceptionally average, I think I shall photograph it".Nathan Detroit said:It might not hurt to remind you that some folks talk about the best group they have ever shot as being representative of their ability.
In the past 20+ years, I have competed with and shot with shooters who absolutely left me speechless. Compared to them, what I can barely do at 25 yards they can do at 50 yards. Unfortunately, many of them don't read online forums and will never post on online forums to share their processes and techniques.guyfromohio said:I've enjoyed the discussion. Thank you all. To those that actually do shoot these groups at 25 yards and greater, I have the utmost respect and did not intend for you to have to go on the defensive. For those who readily admit their skill levels, keep enjoying the sport.
Also good ammunition matched to the pistol.MrBorland said:I also note that when folks post a good target, it's generally been shot with a gun that's up to the task.
jlr1962 said:I have seen a couple of truly amazing rifle shooters. When they say they can hit at distance, I don't doubt it. Their POA/POI is under 1/4 MOA on every shot.
The man shoots at 1" target dots at 100 yards. I have never seen the man land a single shot outside of the target dot after fouling shots are fired. Never.Let's be clear here - did they actually claim they shoot 1/4 MOA every time? Or are you saying (and assuming) that because you saw them shoot once?
It's relevant since if someone's going to get worked up over claims a shooter supposedly did or didn't make, they need to be clear whether the shooter in question actually made the claim or not. It's only fair.
Don't underestimate your Mk2. When I was actively shooting conventional bullseye, I shot any number of 285+ scores and even a few 290+ scores with one. Find ammo it likes and get a good trigger job done on it. They are surprisingly accurate guns.This thread has gotten me to wanting a more accurate .22. I have a Mk 2, but it's got a scope on it that I don't wanna take off. Now, I'm not going to buy a Smith M41 or something crazy expensive, but I've always thought I'd like to add a Buckmark to my collection.
Any experience Bullseye shooters give me input on an affordable ACCURATE .22? Would the Buckmark suit me or do I need to get another Ruger for the aftermarket goodies I can get for it eventually if I were to get serious?
This thread inspired me to go shoot my scoped Mk 2 yesterday bullseye style. I would do real good if I stopped and rested, but that gun/scope got heavy trying to shoot 10 rounds consecutively. Scopes are cheating, I know, but it's my most accurate .22 not including my scoped TC 10" barrel.
jlr1962 said:The Champion was a .40...
jlr1962 said:The man shoots at 1" target dots at 100 yards. I have never seen the man land a single shot outside of the target dot after fouling shots are fired. Never.
jlr1962 said:Take post #151, do you think that was shot with a CZ 75 Champion or even a CZ 75? Look closely.
The Champion was a .40, other 75's are typically are what, 9mm?
The shooter shoots cloverleafs probably 95% of the time. I don't remember ever seeing a single shot outside of the 1" ring. High end rifle and scope. Surgeon/Nightforce. Way out of my price range.ok, so the guy's a consistent .7 - 1.0 MOA shooter. Admirable. So where'd the 1/4MOA come from? Did the shooter ever make any claim to being a 1/4MOA shooter?
And your point is what? The shooter really shot the group with a .40S&W, so the group is really bigger than it appears? You're really stretching. If even so, it goes from about 2.5" to 3". You can tie yourself in knots over what round was really used, but it's still within the reasonable range of "good".
jlr1962 said:The shooter shoots cloverleafs probably 95% of the time. I don't remember ever seeing a single shot outside of the 1" ring.
jlr1962 said:The target in question is 1/2" grid if the group is two and three eight's inches. If that is correct, look at the bullet holes. They are about 2/3 the size of one of the 1/2" grid.
I am not talking about my rifle shooting. I am telling you what I see somebody else do. It is remarkable. I see many people shoot moa. Well, not many but some.... OK, a few..... consistently. Some with very inexpensive equipment.Good shooting, but that doesn't make it 1/4MOA, now, does it? Are you embellishing? Are you so sure everyone else embellishes because you yourself are willing to embellish? That'd be ironic.
Lesseee... 2/3 x 1/2"...= 0.34". Awfully close to .356", or 9mm. We still have no idea what your point is, though.
jlr1962 said:Do you think that target could have been shot with a .40 caliber bullet? (Claimed gun)
jlr1962 said:I am telling you what I see somebody else do.
Where?You told us you personally know of a couple 1/4MOA shooters. Now it's one single shooter who consistently hit a 1" 100 yard target. We got it.