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7.62x25 conversions?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by burnse, Mar 10, 2009.

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  1. burnse

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    Are there any kits out there to convert pistols to 7.62x25? That would be fantastic if there was something out there.
     
  2. Mastiff

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    None that I know of.
     
  3. MachIVshooter

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    We wish. I'd love to have a modern pistol chambered in the cartridge. With a double column mag, it'd hold 18-20 rounds.

    I've actually bee tinkering with the idea of building a single shot 7.62x25 rifle, just for fun.
     
  4. MagnumDweeb

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    There are no per se kits unfortunately. Go to Sarcoinc.com. Look for the Tokarev pistol section. You can get 9mm barrels, also get the bushing and the mags.

    The Romanians TT33s I have (got three through a kitchen table FFL who knew a distributor he built guns for personally) are SOBs, only one is still cherry, it's my untouched gun to rest safely at the back of my safe.

    One I did in the standard 9mm. The other I did in 9x23 Winchester, it also fires .38 Super and 9x23 Largo, not incredibly accurate mind you, past fifteen yards with anything other than the 9x23 Winchester Silver Tips on bulls eye is difficult. The barrels are damned thick to me. I thought about doing other workups but I'm focused on rifles right now.

    Look for Clark 'The Destroyer' he's a member on this site. Be polite and thankful and he might share his notes. I'm not sharing mine for legal considerations. Remember I didn't tell you to do it, don't suggest doing it, and would advise against it.
     
  5. Mastiff

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    I did that 9x23 Winchester conversion on my Romanian per Clark's posts. For me it turned out very accurate.
    The pistol is built like a tank. My Norinco 213 went past 55,000 rounds without a single malfunction. I finally gave it to my brother (who had been pestering me for it) when I got the Romanian.
    It is the Russian's answer to the Colt 1911.
     
  6. MagnumDweeb

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    Oh it's incredibly accurate with 9x23 Winchester out to thirty yards.
     
  7. Jim Watson

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    The overall length of the 7.62x25 is too great for the magazine and slide stroke of any current model pistol. I really doubt anybody is going to tool up for a new gun so people can shoot cheap Commie surplus ammunition.

    Maybe if somebody with a lot of pull in the industry went around to the ammo and gun companies and convinced them there would be a market for Colt, Glock, etc. guns and fresh high performance hollowpoint ammo; like Elmer Keith and the .44 Magnum, something could be done. But don't hold your breath.
     
  8. burnse

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    Tokarev, here I come!
     
  9. 22LRFan

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    Normally people convert away from 7.62X25. MachIVshooter what you've described reminds me of the FN Five-seveN.
     
  10. burnse

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    Why the heck would people convert FROM 7.62x25 these days?! Too fun to let go of, IMO.
     
  11. makarovnik

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    I wonder how difficult it would be to convert a Zastava M88 to 7.62x25. I would even allow the barrel to stick out an inch or so.
     
  12. wizzegun

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    Why convert when you can now get the M57?
     
  13. burnse

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    was the m57 unavailable before?
     
  14. Teapot

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    Guys, Norinco made a double stack Tokarev in 7.62x25. They don't anymore otherwise they would be sold here in Canada and believe me they wouldn't be lying on the shop shelves long.
    Ammunition supplies of this surplus round had slowed down of late as many Canadians realize how good the pistol is and the high quality of the 50yr old ammo not to mention it's versatility for use in a carbine sized rifle.
    One can only hope Marstar brings more ammo in for they have sold out of it. I got the last two boxes of it.
     
  15. leadcounsel

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    bump- any new conversions or modern pistols out there chambered in this round?
     
  16. MattTheHat

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    Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought I remember reading in Patrick Sweeney's 1911 book that had owned or at least shot 1911 re-chambered for 7.62x25.

    -Matt
     
  17. MattTheHat

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    After thinking about this some more, I have to say I disagree. The 7.62X25 has an overall length of 1.381". That's only a smidge longer than the 10mm cartridge, and considerably shorter than the .50 AE.

    -Matt
     
  18. Oyeboten

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    Lol...


    This Thread is asking about converting erstwhile other-cartridge/caliber Pistols TO the 7.62x25 Cartridge.


    And I had been intending a Thread about converting an erstwhile 7.62x25 to 9mm or 38 Super.


    Funny how things go...
     
  19. Jim Watson

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    Yes, the Communist Chinese did it. I assume to convert guns we had supplied the Nationalist Chinese with in WW II to take the same ammo as their Tokarevs, Mausers, and SMGs. I have seen a couple at gun shows and they are the crudest things imaginable. The magazine well has been filed out to where the frontstrap is paper thin, a magazine fabricated out of thin sheet metal, and the breechface, extractor, and ejector somehow munged up to accept the smaller casehead; the barrel lined or replaced.

    I wish I had one available to look at closely and to show my gunsmith... but not enough to pay for such a kluge.


    Google finds a lot of similar discussions and "my wife's uncle has one" dating back 7 years.

    So it is physically possible but I doubt it would be a feasible product to offer the American consumer.
     
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  20. WardenWolf

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    Only guns I know of that are even remotely compatible are the classic Mauser pistols chambered in 7.62x23, which the Russians based their round off of. Granted, I believe the Tokarev ammo is hotter loaded, and nobody should consider modifying a classic German gun to fire Russian ammo.

    I'm considering buying the 9mm conversion parts for my Romanian Tokarev, just so I can have the versatility of a gun that can switch between two calibers in 5 minutes. There's nothing lost by owning a gun that can shoot two common calibers equally well.
     
  21. Hatterasguy

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    Just buy a Tokarev or CZ. You could buy a whole pistol for what a conversion kit would cost.
     
  22. mordechaianiliewicz

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    I would buy one. I've owned a CZ-52 at one point, and would love one of the Tokarevs.... a Glock, or SA in 7.62x25mm would be awesome.

    But, I'm thinking it would have to be purpose built for the measurement reasons given.
     
  23. leadcounsel

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    Based on my research, it doesn't seem that there would be a stretch in building a conversion kit for a standard 10mm auto pistol made by Glock or EAA for instance:

    10mm auto
    Case type Rimless, straight
    Bullet diameter 10.16 mm (0.400 in)
    Neck diameter 10.70 mm (0.421 in)
    Base diameter 10.81 mm (0.426 in)
    Rim diameter 10.85 mm (0.427 in)
    Rim thickness 1.40 mm (0.055 in)
    Case length 25.20 mm (0.992 in)
    Overall length 32.00 mm (1.260 in)
    Maximum pressure 258.55 MPa (37,500 psi)


    7.62x25mm Tokarev
    Bullet diameter 7.8 mm (0.31 in)
    Neck diameter 8.4 mm (0.33 in)
    Shoulder diameter 9.4 mm (0.37 in)
    Base diameter 9.7 mm (0.38 in)
    Rim diameter 9.9 mm (0.39 in)
    Rim thickness 1.3 mm (0.051 in)
    Case length 25 mm (0.98 in)
    Overall length 34 mm (1.3 in)
     
  24. 19-3Ben

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    Hrm.... If I bought a 7.62 Tok gun, like lets say a CZ-52 using my C&R license, and converted it to 9mm, what would that do to the C&R status of the gun?
     
  25. ronbuick

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    Why in the world would you want to convert it to a 9mm from a 7.62x25mm?? What
    am I missing here, more info please, thanks 19-.

    Ron
     
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