Just One Shot
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Tell her he went and got a vasectomy. 
Accidental discharge 1911.....Help...Killed the stuffed bear on the bed.
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Just One Shot
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Just relaying what the manual stated, didn't say I believed it.
awfulkanawful
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just one shot....lol
he got more than that ! One more thing.....Remington JHP suck ! A bear , a bed , and a wall.....then carpet....NO EXPANSION AT ALL ??
he got more than that ! One more thing.....Remington JHP suck ! A bear , a bed , and a wall.....then carpet....NO EXPANSION AT ALL ??
Fishslayer
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I believe that HP require a wet medium to expand. Soak the teddy bear in water and try again.
Post video of GF during ammo test
Profit.
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Yeah....I will go right out and do that ! lol Then I may as well go get a vasectomy cause either way Im never going to see any "real" action again.
Yeah....I will go right out and do that ! lol Then I may as well go get a vasectomy cause either way Im never going to see any "real" action again.
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I do not have a "real" 1911. I have a Browning Hi-Power, a CZ 85B, and a Browning 1911-A1 22, and had a SIG P238.
On all of these firearms I can take hold of the hammer, pull the trigger, and when the hammer starts to lower release the trigger, and then continue to lower the hammer to half cocked. There is no way for the hammer to hit the round.
I have never tried to lower the hammer on a live round inside my house. Go to the back yard and point it at the dirt.
All of my semi-auto's are Condition 3. On my BHP's the hammer spring is so strong I often cock the hammer before racking the slide. If a mess up racking the slide and jam the thing, it is something I will have to deal with at the time.
On all of these firearms I can take hold of the hammer, pull the trigger, and when the hammer starts to lower release the trigger, and then continue to lower the hammer to half cocked. There is no way for the hammer to hit the round.
I have never tried to lower the hammer on a live round inside my house. Go to the back yard and point it at the dirt.
All of my semi-auto's are Condition 3. On my BHP's the hammer spring is so strong I often cock the hammer before racking the slide. If a mess up racking the slide and jam the thing, it is something I will have to deal with at the time.
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Actually, I empathize with you. I've been around semi-auto pistols for the past 25+ years and I don't like "cocked/locked" either. I chose an LCP over the Sig P238 for this very reason. It is all what makes you comfortable. My EDC is a Ruger SR9c - striker fired pistols seem to give me the comfort of a single action auto with a bit stiffer trigger.
Imagine you are in a stressful, attack situation - you will be more prone to make mistakes. I'd hate to think that I was in that situation with a pistol I didn't feel intimately comfortable with. Some, on this forum may suggest more repetitive training. This is good - however, don't beat yourself up if this isn't the style of pistol for you. There are tons of pistols to choose from. You may like a .45 for range/pleasure over EDC.
Just my opinion - take it for what it's worth.
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Imagine you are in a stressful, attack situation - you will be more prone to make mistakes. I'd hate to think that I was in that situation with a pistol I didn't feel intimately comfortable with. Some, on this forum may suggest more repetitive training. This is good - however, don't beat yourself up if this isn't the style of pistol for you. There are tons of pistols to choose from. You may like a .45 for range/pleasure over EDC.
Just my opinion - take it for what it's worth.
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I would carry cocked and locked all the time. From a competition point of view though, in IPSC Production division, all SA/DA capable guns must start decocked. For my CZ 75, this means I have to manually decock the gun with my thumb prior to starting. Surely this is an incredibly unsafe thing to do, and you shouldn't ever decock a gun that doesn't have an actual decocker?
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glad you arent hurt i had one when i first got my 1911 its on here under my name title i almost shot my wife hard lesson JUST DONT DO THAT C/L IS SAFE I CARRY A 1911 ALL DAY NOT A PROBLEM
If for some reason you have the desire to decock a modern (half cock doesn't lock) 1911 on a loaded rd:
1. Point muzzle in a safe direction.
2. cover the back of the slide with your off hand wrapped around the back of the slide and your firefinger jammed between the slide and hammer.
3. Keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
4. Remove manual safety.
5. Put your shooting hand thumb on the hammer and simultaneously pull down on the beavertail safety with same thumb.
6. Keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
7. If all 6 of the above criteria are met, only now should you place finger in trigger guard and pull the trigger.
8. After lowering the hammer a fraction of an inch, remove finger from trigger.
8.5 If you pinch your finger, don't pull it away. Remove your finger from the trigger, first!
9. Only after you have removed your finger from the trigger, now you can remove your offhand from blocking the hammer.
10. Lower the hammer to the half cock notch.
11. Point muzzle in a safe direction.
12. Control hammer by pinching it between thumb and forefinger of the off hand.
13. Pull trigger and gently lower all the way down to the back of the slide.
If your thumb ever slips, the gun (in good working order) will not fire as long as either A)trigger is not pressed or B) you are blocking the hammer with your other hand. As long as you keep the hammer blocked while you're actually pressing the trigger, you will not have an ND, even if the hammer slips. All that will happen is A) hammer is intercepted by halfcock notch, or B) you pinch your finger, remove finger from trigger, then let the hammer fall to the halfcock notch.
If this seems like a lot of steps, I agree. Better to leave it cocked and locked and secured in a good holster - or chamber empty. FTR, I have practiced this many times on a 1911, but never with a loaded round. After practicing cocking the hammer (with an unloaded gun), I have come to the conclusion I have no reason to have a 1911 in that condition. (Particularly one with a protruding, target-style rear sight!)
1. Point muzzle in a safe direction.
2. cover the back of the slide with your off hand wrapped around the back of the slide and your firefinger jammed between the slide and hammer.
3. Keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
4. Remove manual safety.
5. Put your shooting hand thumb on the hammer and simultaneously pull down on the beavertail safety with same thumb.
6. Keep muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
7. If all 6 of the above criteria are met, only now should you place finger in trigger guard and pull the trigger.
8. After lowering the hammer a fraction of an inch, remove finger from trigger.
8.5 If you pinch your finger, don't pull it away. Remove your finger from the trigger, first!
9. Only after you have removed your finger from the trigger, now you can remove your offhand from blocking the hammer.
10. Lower the hammer to the half cock notch.
11. Point muzzle in a safe direction.
12. Control hammer by pinching it between thumb and forefinger of the off hand.
13. Pull trigger and gently lower all the way down to the back of the slide.
If your thumb ever slips, the gun (in good working order) will not fire as long as either A)trigger is not pressed or B) you are blocking the hammer with your other hand. As long as you keep the hammer blocked while you're actually pressing the trigger, you will not have an ND, even if the hammer slips. All that will happen is A) hammer is intercepted by halfcock notch, or B) you pinch your finger, remove finger from trigger, then let the hammer fall to the halfcock notch.
If this seems like a lot of steps, I agree. Better to leave it cocked and locked and secured in a good holster - or chamber empty. FTR, I have practiced this many times on a 1911, but never with a loaded round. After practicing cocking the hammer (with an unloaded gun), I have come to the conclusion I have no reason to have a 1911 in that condition. (Particularly one with a protruding, target-style rear sight!)
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from a newbie to 1911
I have been reading ALL afternoon for 2 days now and have come to 3 conclusions.Please remember...Im new at 1911's.
Condition 3......Useless for me as everyday carry , too slow readiness time IF needed. Pointless for serious self defense mode. (I dont want to have to rack a round first before firing)
Condition 2......Not much better than condition 3 , point being cocking and decocking on live round in chamber prone to problems (safety if hammer slips)in self defese readiness. If I used this way would be sure to only go half cock/stop position , not all the way down.
Condition 1......Very ominous to me , but I believe this truley is the way to go for immediate self defense readiness for everyday carry.
Now as I have learned the hard way....lowering the hammer for condition 2 must be done with the whole thumb rolling very carefully , not with the other thumb and forefinger pinching it.Had I fully understood EVERYTHING first , I would have also known that after pulling the trigger to release the hammer I should have let off and only gone to the stop position.
For me its going to be 1 or 3..........forget about 2
I have been reading ALL afternoon for 2 days now and have come to 3 conclusions.Please remember...Im new at 1911's.
Condition 3......Useless for me as everyday carry , too slow readiness time IF needed. Pointless for serious self defense mode. (I dont want to have to rack a round first before firing)
Condition 2......Not much better than condition 3 , point being cocking and decocking on live round in chamber prone to problems (safety if hammer slips)in self defese readiness. If I used this way would be sure to only go half cock/stop position , not all the way down.
Condition 1......Very ominous to me , but I believe this truley is the way to go for immediate self defense readiness for everyday carry.
Now as I have learned the hard way....lowering the hammer for condition 2 must be done with the whole thumb rolling very carefully , not with the other thumb and forefinger pinching it.Had I fully understood EVERYTHING first , I would have also known that after pulling the trigger to release the hammer I should have let off and only gone to the stop position.
For me its going to be 1 or 3..........forget about 2
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Sam1911
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The CZ75s do indeed play in USPSA "Production" or IDPA "SSP" starting hammer down, and they have no decocker.
It is not incredibly unsafe to do, at all. After all, you're at a range, pointing at the berm, under the control of a Safety Officer, and you'll shortly be actually firing that weapon exactly where it is now pointed. So there's no real risk. Layers of safety, for a reason.
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Gloob.....
We posted about the same time.......thanks man. Im actually understanding the whole concept now of the 1911 design......this pistol really is interesting in the way it can be used 3 diffrent ways. Its condition 1 or 3 for me , just still hard looking at it cocked......somehow it still doesnt seem right.....lol
BTW...half cock works on my SR1911...its modern ?
We posted about the same time.......thanks man. Im actually understanding the whole concept now of the 1911 design......this pistol really is interesting in the way it can be used 3 diffrent ways. Its condition 1 or 3 for me , just still hard looking at it cocked......somehow it still doesnt seem right.....lol
BTW...half cock works on my SR1911...its modern ?
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The other issue is between the hammer being cocked, and the stupid new age beavertails you have stuff that want's to stick you in the body when you sit down.
I have a Detonics that I carry, and I put the hammer down, or put it on the safety notch. I'm real careful doing this, but it doesn't really give me the warm and fuzzies. The Detonics was designed for this kind of carry, with the front site moved forward, and room on the top of the slide to easily catch the hammer with your thumb, cocking it.
I realize this is different from a home protection issue. I'm with you on everything, but never been robbed at home.
That said, my 1911 is under the pillow, cocked and locked.
I have a Detonics that I carry, and I put the hammer down, or put it on the safety notch. I'm real careful doing this, but it doesn't really give me the warm and fuzzies. The Detonics was designed for this kind of carry, with the front site moved forward, and room on the top of the slide to easily catch the hammer with your thumb, cocking it.
I realize this is different from a home protection issue. I'm with you on everything, but never been robbed at home.
That said, my 1911 is under the pillow, cocked and locked.
scaatylobo
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When I first carried a 1911 I did carry it in 'condition 2' as you were attempting to do.
Shot a hole in my mothers living room floor and missed the dog by about 2 feet.
I decided that if I was going to EDC a 1911 that it was either in 'condition 1' or not at all.
I carried a few of them in C-1 for many decades and still do on occassion.
I got comfortable and trained with that till I was VERY happy with the results.
Good luck with your training,or the new gun you buy.
When I first carried a 1911 I did carry it in 'condition 2' as you were attempting to do.
Shot a hole in my mothers living room floor and missed the dog by about 2 feet.
I decided that if I was going to EDC a 1911 that it was either in 'condition 1' or not at all.
I carried a few of them in C-1 for many decades and still do on occassion.
I got comfortable and trained with that till I was VERY happy with the results.
Good luck with your training,or the new gun you buy.
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IMO: A 1911 is safer hammer down against the slide then on the "half-cock" safety intercept notch.
All 1911's use an inertia firing pin.
It is shorter then the hole in the slide it resides in.
Without a hammer blow to drive it out of it's hidy-hole, it can't touch the primer.
So with hammer down against the slide, you cound pound on the hammer until you broke the hammer off and it simply could not go off because it could not get a running start at the firing pin.
On half-cock, it could get a running start, and it could go off, if enough parts broke when you dropped it on the hammer.
rc
All 1911's use an inertia firing pin.
It is shorter then the hole in the slide it resides in.
Without a hammer blow to drive it out of it's hidy-hole, it can't touch the primer.
So with hammer down against the slide, you cound pound on the hammer until you broke the hammer off and it simply could not go off because it could not get a running start at the firing pin.
On half-cock, it could get a running start, and it could go off, if enough parts broke when you dropped it on the hammer.
rc
Glad you are ok. If you don't mind me asking, what were you carrying before and why do you want to change. I love the 1911 platform and also have a CZ Rami with no decocker, but they are range toys. I prefer to carry long DOA triggers (Revolvers, Sig p290, Sig P250).
Like I said I am a fan of 1911, but I carry what I am comfortable with. Why change from a decocker (which you said you were comfortable with)?
Like I said I am a fan of 1911, but I carry what I am comfortable with. Why change from a decocker (which you said you were comfortable with)?
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what I carry now.....
Everyone is gonna laugh...........Ive had several different revolvers a S&W 4506 , 4006 , ruger P94 , Beretta PX4 , Beretta centurion , and a Beretta 92 and 96 A-1......... Ive had .38's , 357's , .40 smiths and a .45....my favorite of ALL of them is a Stoeger cougar ! In 9mm of all things !!! I own 4.....ALL the same.....thats it. It just feel right and is right for me.
For me the Beratta (Stoeger) Cougar.....fills the bill for everything ! Period.
I sold everything else (except the Cougars)............and bought the Ruger SR 1911 , its the only other pistol besides the 4 Cougars. Oh.....the 4006 is the truck gun , but its getting replaced soon by another Cougar. Should the SHTF Im also my own parts supplier....lol
I have NEVER had any kind of misfeed , or jam in theese 4 Cougars and they have been shot......ALOT ! Not too bad for a pistol costing 400 bucks each.
Everyone is gonna laugh...........Ive had several different revolvers a S&W 4506 , 4006 , ruger P94 , Beretta PX4 , Beretta centurion , and a Beretta 92 and 96 A-1......... Ive had .38's , 357's , .40 smiths and a .45....my favorite of ALL of them is a Stoeger cougar ! In 9mm of all things !!! I own 4.....ALL the same.....thats it. It just feel right and is right for me.
For me the Beratta (Stoeger) Cougar.....fills the bill for everything ! Period.
I sold everything else (except the Cougars)............and bought the Ruger SR 1911 , its the only other pistol besides the 4 Cougars. Oh.....the 4006 is the truck gun , but its getting replaced soon by another Cougar. Should the SHTF Im also my own parts supplier....lol
I have NEVER had any kind of misfeed , or jam in theese 4 Cougars and they have been shot......ALOT ! Not too bad for a pistol costing 400 bucks each.
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gyvel
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If you absolutely have to lower the hammer on a live round, place your little finger between the hammer and slide when you do it.
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How are your ears?
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Yes.....
And its a big one ! I mean like 3' tall.......and not only that it is a Christmas bear....lol In the spare bedroom of course....lol
And its a big one ! I mean like 3' tall.......and not only that it is a Christmas bear....lol In the spare bedroom of course....lol
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That gun is obviously defective so I am willing to take it off your hands.
Of course since it's defective I will have to pay you less than you bought it for!
I'm glad no one was hurt...
Of course since it's defective I will have to pay you less than you bought it for!
I'm glad no one was hurt...
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So, you come up with this elaborate story just because you hate the bear and shot it. It might work with "her", but not with us.And its a big one ! I mean like 3' tall.......and not only that it is a Christmas bear....lol In the spare bedroom of course....lol
I guess I'm the odd one. I carry either a Glock 36 or a little Ruger LCP.
Own both a older Gold Cup and a single action only CZ75, but don't
carry them....too big for the most part.
What always scares me are actually the decockers, something
about that hammer snapping down just bugs me. I know they're
safe but I just can't get used to the idea. Must have trust issues.
It's great we have lots of choices.
Dave
Own both a older Gold Cup and a single action only CZ75, but don't
carry them....too big for the most part.
What always scares me are actually the decockers, something
about that hammer snapping down just bugs me. I know they're
safe but I just can't get used to the idea. Must have trust issues.
It's great we have lots of choices.
Dave
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