An anti-gun 20/20 this friday

[Blackbeard]

I guess that was ABC's idea of balanced reporting. Guns: Some think they're dangerous, others think they're REALLY dangerous.

Honestly, not one example of successful self defense. That classroom experiment was a joke. They should have put an IDPA shooter in there, or even a paintballer. Paintballers know how to MOVE! No wonder journalism is dying.

 

[gary vale]

What are the choices?

What are the choices?
Hum...
1.Setting unarmed in a room when the BG breaks in shooting?
2.Setting armed in a room when the BG breaks in shooting?

I still would have to choose .....2...

 

[grimjaw]

I didn't see this show or read a transcript, but I can tell you my take on it without having to do either.

Corporate (profit) driven entity attempts to increase viewership and ratings by broadcasting inflammatory and sensationalist stories on an increasingly irrelevant medium.

jm

 

[youngun82]

I like how at the end Dianne says if your wondering about statistics on gun owners using a gun to successfully defend themselves...We could find NO RELIABLE sources. LOL!!! I guess FBI stats are not reliable.:banghead:

 

[Dirtpile]

Would those of you who documented the un-truths and flat out lies from this program mind posting them here at the forum? Mainly so those of us who missed, chose not to watch or were busy throwing up from the smell of BS could join in too.

 

[Dirtpile]

Honestly, not one example of successful self defense. That classroom experiment was a joke. They should have put an IDPA shooter in there, or even a paintballer. Paintballers know how to MOVE!

You do know that girl was paid to stand there and get shot right? They probably had to do a few takes on that one because she fliched after a couple of hits.

 

[priler]

what a hit piece........what a crock

it was a staged ambush with an agenda,plain and simple.

so,your their with a long sleeve tight t-shirt that covers your carry piece like a net full of fish,on top of that ,your wearing this goofy,clumsy mask,when all of a sudden,a gun man comes in firing ,taking a couple quick shots to the teacher and then straight for you. meanwhile,they have other staged people,specifically instructed,to run straight across your line of fire just to prove a point.



what a bunch of crap!!

i hope most people see this for what it is.

 

[sernv99]

saw the show.....nothing surprised me so I'm not pissed. Same old propaganda.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

In each of those "class room" scenarios, the armed student was placed in the center of the first row, and was targeted almost immediately - by a fully trained and experienced officer. In real life, the armed student's position would not be known by the assailant and the assailant wouldn't know if there was anyone armed at all, and would most likely NOT be a trained and experienced officer.

The gloves and clingy t-shirts were also a hindrance. As for the tunnel vision aspect, the face shields made sure it would be a "factor", whether or not it was a factor!

I've never seen a more biased and bogus... I can't even find a fitting name for it other than that it's a diabolical piece of trash.

I'll say one thing, though: They are desperate. If you have to lie so blatantly, it doesn't bode well for your cause.

Let the diatribes begin, for I've never seen a more fitting piece of trash worthy of being attacked.

Woody

 

[Ned Kelly]

I think the old hares know what is going on and that they have seen it all before back in the 90s. Even the older liberals arent shocked a bit or impressed by it. Maybe even a little disappointed.

It's the younger naive generation that takes all this in like a glass of milk and a cookie. They have grown up conditioned in the schools always taught to never think for themselves.

 

[Sam Boca]

So I guess all those thousands of stories in the NRA Armed Citizen database never really happened . According to ABC, no one could ever sucessfully defend them self with a gun.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

In each of those "class room" scenarios, the armed student was placed in the center of the first row, and was targeted almost immediately - by a fully trained and experienced officer. In real life, the armed student's position would not be known by the assailant and the assailant wouldn't know if there was anyone armed at all, and would most likely NOT be a trained and experienced officer.

Amen to that!

 

[Suicide*Ride]

5 minutes into the prrogram & sawyer says "Columbine's 20th ann. this month".... 1999 wasn't 20 yrs. ago! Oh... gotta go! Commercial over.

 

[Tomcat47]

More Gun Media! And Media is not good for Guns....usually!

Along with miss Sawyer....looks like 60 minutes is going to play along as well this Sunday! Some special report about us mad people buying up guns and ammo..... Pop some popcorn boys.......ah hell buy some ammo... a new gun.... then pop some popcorn!

More from the Clinton Broadcast System


PS dude at Wally world said they were going to encode ammunition which will require paperwork to purchase? seen some blogs around net about it, but not as if it were happening soon! Anyone heard such crap?



"When the time for action has come, the time for preperation has past.
Abraham Lincoln

 

[Ned Kelly]

The bills were introduced in several states but no one ever signed onto them. Anyone can introduce as rediculous as bill as they want. Getting lawmakers to actually sponsor it is another thing altogether.

A lot of it is fearmongering. Don't know why someone form Walmart would do it. I know good and well why SOME gun dealers have been doing it.

Surely the guy that said that wasn't an employee.

 

[crebralfix]

Take aways:

1) Fighting is hard. Training is hard.

(Sawyer's conclusion: Don't do it yourself. Call for help.)

2) Stupid people do stupid things.

(Sawyer's conclusion: People are too stupid to handle guns safely.)

3) Hand a kid a tool and they're going to mess around with it.

(Sawyer's conclusion: Guns kill kids!)

4) Common gun owners include the fine, upstanding innercity citizen gang members who use small children to purchase weapons for them.

(Sawyer's conclusion: Clearly, these people need to be controlled.)

5) Gun show loophole is real! See, we bought all these guns! We're on a crusade to end gun sales!

(Conclusion: Become a pussy like that man-boy and REFUSE to take action to protect yourself. Guns are scwary!)

Side note on the classroom simunitions training:

1) They placed the "good guy" in the same place every time.

2) The students were not taught to draw from concealment.

3) A few hours of training is supposedly enough, though Sawyer goes to great lengths to say that it's not.

4) "Get off the X" is important.

(Sawyer's conclusion: Give up. It's too difficult and you'll get shot.).

5) Standing at the range shooting at paper is not training for a fight. It's standing at a range shooting at paper.

6) Fighting is hard. Flabby people don't do well. Untrained people don't do well either. (Sawyer: Give up and don't bother training). Get off your ass and go train. No...it's probably not fun, but you can turn it into "sport" and learn to enjoy it. A positive attitude helps.

7) Gun ownership is a right. Clearly, these people think it is not and that the Constitution is flexible. It was a clear hit-piece.

 

[Redneck with a 40]

I just finished watching the show, big mistake, now I'm pissed off and my blood pressure is up, lol. What a load of garbage.

As far as the kid buying all those guns at the gun show, I say "so what"! You can buy a car face to face and go kill someone with it! So what's there point?! Drugs are bought face to face all the time, they kill people.:banghead::banghead:

 

[Halo is for Kids]

20/20 really opened my eyes

A young woman:
-with little experience
-a few hours of training
-carrying an unfamiliar weapon in an unfamiliar holster
-wearing gloves
-wearing restrictive clothing
-wearing an unfamiliar vision limiting mask
-with no prior notice
-in a dynamic environment
-with multiple innocent bystanders moving through her field of vision

Can take on a trained police officer (whose goal is to shoot one target then direct his full attentions to shooting her) and make a fight stopping hit on his pelvis / upper leg without hitting another person.

Before we count this incident as a total failure, remember that every other student made it out of the room without being shot.

A rampage stopped by a CCW holder at the cost of her own life and that of the professor is a tragedy, but we’ve all been repeatedly shown the alternative.

 

[novaDAK]

20/20 really opened my eyes
A young woman:
-with little experience
-a few hours of training
-carrying an unfamiliar weapon in an unfamiliar holster
-wearing gloves
-wearing restrictive clothing
-wearing an unfamiliar vision limiting mask
-with no prior notice
-in a dynamic environment
-with multiple innocent bystanders moving through her field of vision

Can take on a trained police officer (whose goal is to shoot one target then direct his full attentions to shooting her) and make a fight stopping hit on his pelvis / upper leg without hitting another person.

Before we count this incident as a total failure, remember that every other student made it out of the room without being shot.

A rampage stopped by a CCW holder at the cost of her own life and that of the professor is a tragedy, but we’ve all been repeatedly shown the alternative.

Needs repeating. Most people who carry guns practice and know how to use them, carry in a comfortable position, in a holster their familiar with, and in clothing they choose to allow easy draw.

 

[priler]

futher proof of this being purely an anti hit-piece,they had a bad guy hidden as one of the students waiting for the gun man to come in so he could right away also start shooting at the armed student..just in case the armed student did well.

again,what a crock!

 

[tavernius]

i'm not sure if it was the same news show, but does anyone remember the "stuck accelerator" Audi's from the 80's or the model-rocket-assisted "exploding F-150's" of the 90's?

 

[s23246g]

I watched this and noticed all the same things you guys pointed out. What struck me most was the way the assailant in the classroom scenario went straight at the student with the gun. I guess if there are a lot of psychic criminals out there, we are all in a lot of trouble. I don't think many law enforcement officers would have been able to return fire that quickly before being hit either. It is ridiculous to think anyone could go from condition white to being able to bring down an assailant in that short of a time span, especially since that assailant already knows where you are sitting, and is coming right at you as soon as he puts a shot into the professor. Udder crap.

What pissed me off even more was our local ABC station here in Wichita had a segment which ran directly after the 20/20 special (ed) that looked at whether or not our state was any safer since concealed carry was enacted 2 years ago. They stated in their report that police officers receive (get this) "hundreds of hours of gun training every year", whereas private gun owners only have to pass a 8 hr course to get concealed carry. HUNDREDS OF HOURS PER YEAR! Not! Being a former officer, I had to write into the news station and give them a piece of my mind. Kansas only requires one trip to the range per year. 50 rounds per year! and most officers I knew only shot their guns a couple of times between qualifications, and some of them not at all.

 

[louie19]

I missed the show, but did they happen to mention Jeanne Assam, who saved a church full of people in Colorado from an Active Shooter bent on killing a lot of people? I think her story is one of the best pro-concealed-carry cases.

If 20/20 was at all balanced, they should have included her story and interviewed her to show how having a gun CAN protect you and the people around you.

 

[Remander]

Diane, a bad guy is coming to your house. He wants to kill you.

Would you (1) like to have a gun even though it is no guarantee you will survive the attack, or (2) choose to sit defenseless and await your certain death because the gun is not a 100% guarantee of safety?

I'd like a fighting chance, but maybe I'm crazy.

 

[Remander]

No mention of Jeanne Assam. Or any other use of guns for self defense, except the motel desk robbery attempt. They mentioned how close the clerk was to the mom with baby, but did not mention how the clerk shot the bad guy and ended the robbery.