Bounty Hunters enter your home?

[Todd A]

But is a "bounty hunter" legally just a random person? Or do they have some pseudo-law-enforcement status?

Depends on your state.

In mine they have to be licensed, with a state mandated training. They also need a "Blue Card" , a higher form of our "Permit to carry Pistols and Revolvers" to carry "on the job". They are also restricted in the badges, insigna,etc.. that they can wear.

Falsely stating they represent or are employed by any State,Muninciple, or Federal entity is a felony. Any current LEO is prohibited by state law to be a Bail Enforcement Agent here.

They are not LEO in my state. They are simply given the "right" to "arrest" you when you sign the bail agreement.

Should one attempt forced entry into my home, I will use deadly force as allowed by state statute.

 

[mcdonl]

I suppose I would likley end up being dead due to naitivity but... If a group of "professional" agents (Be it real, or impersenation....) entered my home armed, I would probably conclude that a) they are legit, or b) they are pretty ambitious criminals not meaning any harm, other then robbery. If they were going to perform a home invasion with the probable intent to murder the home owner, then why would they go through all of this.

I would call 911, and then let it play out. It sucks the guy got hurt, but... if he were armed what would he do? Take out all of the bounty hunters (Or LEO's, or BG's....)? I am sure his injuries suffered would have been much greater as the bounty hunters would have returned fire and it would have been a bloody mess.

Now, if it were just a group of armed robbers - I may consider other routes but I think call the cops and wait was the right decision.

Leroy

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Mcdonl, what is the matter with you?

Anyone at all entering your house unexpected, uninvited and certainly disrupting your home? And you roll over and let em walk all over you because they look like Men In Black?

And then you want to defend same home against ruffians wearing tattered jeans and jersey hoods?

No. That sounds conflicted to me.

LEO's will identify themselves.

My Local LEO's already know that we are a armed house and generally very quiet and no trouble anywhere for a very long time.

 

[Rockwell1]

I remember a story on 48 hours some years ago. In which a lady was picked up by bounty hunters in Queens and dragged kicking, screaming and protesting her innocence all the way to Atlanta. In Atlanta she was brought before a judge and promptly released due to mistaken Identity.

She is now a multi-millionaire

If I KNEW for sure that it was abounty hunter I'd go peacefully and pray that he took me across state lines then I'd call Denny Crane

 

[mcdonl]

Not sure what's wrong with me, but taking a stand against multiple armed individuals seems foolish. Maybe if I had the right training.

Yeah, armed thugs are clear. Armed "men in black" just seem different. I am joe average, father and husdand not mall ninja or tactical gun fighter.

Just seems like survival in that situation is higher by not just engaging them in gun fire.

Am I 100 percent wrong? I could be.

Leroy

 

[outerlimit]

I have wondered if perhaps it would be a good idea to have small voice recorder on my bedside table which could be turned on at the start of an incident.

Dial 911 on a phone and leave the line open.

 

[ArmedBear]

There's a lot of parallels between bounty hunters and repo men. Frankly, most are just mercenaries who don't care who they hurt. They're just in it for the money. Granted, not all are like that, but there is a very lot of thuggery that goes on just to make a buck.

Repo men? Any that I've met just want to get the car without taking any bullets.

And nobody who gets their car repo'd has my sympathy. If you can't pay, call the bank. If you don't understand that it's not your car if you don't pay for it, then I wonder why I pay taxes so you could go to school.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Mcdonl,

I am open to your words. There was a recent thread here that referred to a gang busting down a front door and question of lawful retreat.

If a gang or number of people stormed my house and did not identify themselves as LEO's Im sorry, there will be shooting. If they are federal marshals or FBI or other United States Government Agents, they better identify themselves before the door comes down.

I recall a swat or police team storming a house serving a drug warrant, a elderly grandma shot one dead I believe and the whole thing was the wrong address after all some years ago.

I wish to learn more about your position regarding multipules. Maybe I have not any training, but sure looks like a invasion to me.

 

[WardenWolf]

I never said I had sympathy for those who get their cars repossessed. However, the way in which many of them do it is just dirty.

 

[RoboDuck]

/\ old timers get away with everything!

I'm sorry, the debriefing didn't work.

I can't beleive anyone would take that chance. I know real bounty hunters and thats not the way they operate.

BTW , Dog is more of an entertainer than a bounty hunter.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

"There are also a lot of cases of home invasions where the BGs were posing as "recovery agents" when they pounded on the door, only to rob the people."

really? where? and how many is a lot? i know in another post you took 2 cases that happened in your area in a month and extrapolated that into an average of 2 a month so your math is different from mine

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Recovery likes to sneak in quiet, get the car and get out.

Not pound on doors.

 

[ArmedBear]

the way in which many of them do it is just dirty.

Someone has something valuable that doesn't belong to them. It's your job to get it back to the rightful owners.

What is "dirty" about getting it back? Do you find retrieving property from someone who doesn't own it to be unsporting?

I'm really not getting it.

 

[Big Bill]

Remember those Blackwater and other inforcers in NO what were shaking down citizens in their own homes and stealing their guns? How'd that turn out? What would you have done had you been on the receiving end?

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

Remember those Blackwater and other inforcers in NO what were shaking down citizens in their own homes and stealing their guns?


er no could you enlighten us? a source? no wnd or newmax if you can hellp it prison plaet is shakey too

 

[David904]

I worked as a bail enforcement agent a number of years ago. Truth be told, The usual folks I was collecting were inconsiderate criminals and not the storybook vicious ones. It was usually a case of somebody getting drunk or high the night before and forgetting to go to their court date - and then I and my team would go knock on their door and get them. They usually were more rueful and willing to make things right than run away.

I did have a couple of "exciting" (read that as frightening) collections, but they were few and far between. I only did this for about a year and decided that it just wasn't for me.

When we went to get someone, we wore vests and were armed with an assortment of firearms, clubs, sprays, and cuffs. We also wore blue raid jackets with the words, "BAIL ENFORCEMENT" emblazoned across our backs. We never claimed to be anything other than what we were.

If a bail enforcement person forced his way into my home, I suspect that there would be blood shed. Most, in my experience, were not very professional. I include myself in that assessment. These are not the best of the best coming in to rid the community of badguys. They are there to protect a bondsman's investment. Period.

The only people coming into my home without my permission are LEOs with appropriate court approved warrants.

 

[Rockwell1]

I saw an episode of “Montel” a while back in which he had four female bounty hunters and he showed them going after a fugitive. I don’t remember the specific crime but it was trivial. Anyway the tactic these “ladies” chose was to box the guy in, on the road, during rush hour traffic. They then jumped out of their car (surrounded by heavy traffic mind you) smashed the guys window with some type of baton, shoved a Glock in his ear, dragged him out of the car, proned him out (remember, on the road, during rush hour) handcuff him drag him back to their car and take off. Leaving his car sitting in the middle of traffic. I’m almost positive the crime was misdemeanor possession.
I have little to no use for 'bail enforcement agents"

 

[bdickens]

The situation the OP describes is a home invasion. It will be treated like one.

 

[marsofold]

If there are no flashing blue lights outside, how does one differentiate between genuine undercover (not in uniform) police officers and street dressed thugs if both call out "POLICE OFFICER" after the door is broken down? Guess wrong and you may be in prison for life. Is holding your fire and hoping for the best the only option?

 

[Deltaboy1984]

I will open fire if not id certified by local 911, no police marked car or other known forms of ID.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Or is it being influenced by shows like "Dog" The Bounty Hunter? Attracting "Wanna-bes?"

I'm quite sure that there is an element of that going on.

 

[gripper]

I have an ever decreasing ammount of respect /tendency to cooperate with my "public servants"...why should skip trace/surety bonds guys get any more of a break?
If you are NOT actually a fugitive/crimtard,and are NOT otherwise presenting a threat to the safety;then do the usual response to "hostile boarders".Nothing says "out of MY house,like an E tool chopping into a shin.

 

[PzGren]

I never even got a speeding ticket - I don't mean that I never deserved one - but in the described situation, I would feel threatened and I hope that I have the better training and that it would carry me through the fight.

Actually, I am certain enough to bet my life on that.

PzGren

 

[WardenWolf]

Nothing says "out of MY house,like an E tool chopping into a shin.

How about a 12 gauge slug followed by several rounds of buckshot?

 

[mcdonl]

Hungry... I do not really have a position regarding multiples. Maybe after I do some IDPA I may, but I am just a regular guy and these threads confuse me...

Sure, I guess what I would do in the internet world is ask the men at the door to provide me ID, while I get 911 on the phone. And if the forced thier way in I would "shoot them all and let God sort them out" - but... I do not live in the Internet world so I am not as certain as to what I would do.

It is my understanding and belief that you do not brandish your weapon unless you intend to use it, and I am not combat trained so I think my chances against multiple assailants would be better negotiating, then fighting. And if these assailents are going through enough effort to mask thier intent, then that does add to the calculation.

So... bottom line is I do not have much of an opinion on this at all other then I hope the hell it doesnt happen until I do!!

Leroy