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I took last year's Brady grades and put them on an Excel spread sheet with FBI Uniform Crime Statistics and all that jazz. I converted the Brady Grade to a number based on the 4.0 grading scale so they could be graphed quantitatively. The results are very interesting. It shows that there is absolutely no correlation, positive or negative, between gun control and a state's crime rate. Seeing it as a graph makes it pretty clear. The obvious trend is that there is no trend.

Some people might say this is a bad thing, bad news to gun owners, because we can't say gun control equals higher crime. But judicially, it is just as good to us. The prosecution has the burden of proof. If they want to take the 2nd Amendment to court they are going to have to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the 2nd Amendment is at fault for whatever problem they are trying to "solve." If they attempt this through crime statistics, they will fail. For every case they can show gun control seems to have worked, the defense can show a case where it didn't, and it will become blatantly obvious that gun control has little or no influence on a state's violent crime. I had the data with an explanation printed out somewhere. If I find it I will try to scan it and post it on here. Until then, I did a write up here that some may find interesting. If you know your statistics I would like it if you read through it just so you can correct my math as it had been a while since I took STAT216 and some of my terms and numbers may be off.

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=303758
 
What I can't figure out is how Alaska kept its D- while going from Shall issue w/ a training requirement to VT style carry.

I wonder if they aren't skewing the figures to hide the low grade - low violent crime rate correlation we all know must exist.:evil:
 
Seems to me that the rough correlation is the better grade you get from these guys the worse crime rate you have. The worse the Grade the better the better the crime rate.:rolleyes:
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Great link.

MTMilitiaman said:
I took last year's Brady grades and put them on an Excel spread sheet with FBI Uniform Crime Statistics and all that jazz. I converted the Brady Grade to a number based on the 4.0 grading scale so they could be graphed quantitatively. The results are very interesting. It shows that there is absolutely no correlation, positive or negative, between gun control and a state's crime rate. Seeing it as a graph makes it pretty clear. The obvious trend is that there is no trend.
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=303758
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I was going to do something similar and got too lazy. I actually did copy the data into excel and then was using the FBI crime stats but copied several states worth of data and said "The heck with it"

Thanks for doing the work for us.

I was also seeing the trend for no correlation.
 
Thanks, MTMilitaman, your work was very interesting. Just proves what a bunch of idiots the bradys are. Sweet Home Alabama!, can we get an F-?
 
I always viewed these report cards as cheap entertainment, and then shook it off and forgot about it. But that was until I viewed Nebraska's section regarding concealed carry, and I quote:

PROHIBITS CONCEALED CARRY A+

These are evil, evil people. They would rather have innocent people killed than have them use a gun to defend their lives against cretins. That is not only evil, it is disgusting.

I view these people not only as ideological enemies, but as literal mortal enemies. :fire:

I'm proud to live in Utah, one of the few states to allow CCW in schools! :)

Wes
 
just a lousy D? What the hell? I can carry a fully loaded Glock concealed on a university campus and the brady morons only give me a D? Damn...i guess we need to allow guns on K-12 to get that coveted F.
 
Schools.

Thefumegator said:
I'm proud to live in Utah, one of the few states to allow CCW in schools! :)

Wes
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In PA you are prohibited from carrying in schools except for legitimate purposes... Whatever that means.
 
There is good news in all of this. Based on the rough conversion of the data (A=4.0, A-=3.6, B+=3.3, B=3.0 ... etc.) Overall things are getting better. The US average score in 1999 was 1.62 (between a C and a C-) but the 2004 average score was 1.45 (between a D+ and a C-).

It is slow, but at least it is getting better. I have hopes that there will be a spurt in the right direction after what we saw after Katrina.
 
Well, Wisconsin should lose it's A+ once they finally get their CCW program kicked off.

A couple states are mulling over Vermony-style carry, but a lot of those states are D- or F anyway.

Any states besides Wisconsin that are set for a precipitous drop?

-MV
 
interesting use of an animated gif.

Sinsaba said:
There is good news in all of this. Based on the rough conversion of the data (A=4.0, A-=3.6, B+=3.3, B=3.0 ... etc.) Overall things are getting better. The US average score in 1999 was 1.62 (between a C and a C-) but the 2004 average score was 1.45 (between a D+ and a C-).

It is slow, but at least it is getting better. I have hopes that there will be a spurt in the right direction after what we saw after Katrina.
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Saw your babies. I assume you were doing an animated gif? Never thought to use them that way.
 
Looking at the 2004 data ( http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/reportcards/2004/details.pdf ) Maryland is an A-. As bad as we are, the anti-gun people only give MD an A-.

Well, here is where we were graded down (very telling):

-- B- for child access law. They penalize MD since we don't put parents in jail enough if their kids get a hold of a gun. They note "under 16, weak penalty"

-- For "Gun Safety Locks and Safer Design Standards" they only give us an A- because we "only" have a built in lock law and ban "Saturday night specials". What else do they want:what: . Also, they ignore that we have an NJ style law that as soon as "smart guns" become available they are the only kind "civilians" will be allowed to buy.

-- We drop to a C in city preemption since we don't allow cities to independantly ban guns (comments read: "MINIMAL, minors and places of assembly")

-- A- for "Secondary "Private" Sales Background Checks" with a comment "Yes- 7 day waiting period and background check on handguns and assault weapons" (my question, then why not an "A")

--"Carrying Concealed Weapons Law" B+. MD, basically a non-issue state gets a B+ not an A or A+! Comment "Police have discretion, training required to purchase, 18 year olds, documented threat" So we "drop" to a B+ since you can potentially get a CCW with a documented threat:what:

They give us "Extra Credit" for the shell casing law, training requirement, one a month limit on handguns, ban on large mags and the AWB (we ban some "assault weapons")

They give us a "Sensible Safety Star" for a "stengthened law to disarm domestic violence abusers and defeated NRA CCW bill"

My comments-

I find it interesting that the fact that someone with a documented threat can possibly get a CCW permit gets us downgraded. I also find the language "defeated NRA CCW bill" funny since the NRA had nothing to do with it, did not campaign for it, and behind the scenes seemed to oppose it (since they didn't want to waste pro-gun political capital on a losing proposition and wanted to concentrate on defeating the AWB).

Also, MD has an A-, as does CA, CT, Hawaii, MA, and NJ some of the worst states in the US for gun laws, CA and IL have B+'s. There are no A+'s or even A's. What does a state have to do for a "higher" grade?:what:
 
WOOHOO! F+ baby, yea! It is great to be from Idaho.

I just love the tripe they spewed about us though:

WHT is a "rapid fire ammunition magazine?" Is a non-RF mag one that causes your weapon to jam every round?

According to these morons, 20 "kids" died from gun violence in Idaho. 409 for Califruity. Somthing doesn't jive. If CA got a higher score, shouldn't there be less. 26 times the population, 20 times the death, hmmm, seems to me that CA's stricter laws have little affect.
 
chaim said:
Looking at the 2004 data ( http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/reportcards/2004/details.pdf ) Maryland is an A-. As bad as we are, the anti-gun people only give MD an A-.

Well, here is where we were graded down (very telling): ...

... Also, MD has an A-, as does CA, CT, Hawaii, MA, and NJ some of the worst states in the US for gun laws, CA and IL have B+'s. There are no A+'s or even A's. What does a state have to do for a "higher" grade?:what:
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That's easy 1) ban the possession of ANY firearm of ANY type, 2) conduct house to house searches and confiscate ALL firearms, and 3) search any and all individuals entering the state and confiscate any firearms.

That gets you an "A"

To get an "A+" you house all gun owners in prison at taxpayers expense
 
Well, Class,

as Carebear and Sinsaba pointed out, there is a downward trend. Only five states improved their grades (ME and OR please see me after class) nineteen managed to reduce their grades (polite applause) and 26 were unchanged. But of those 26, 16 were either D or F. You all will be excused from the final
 
svtruth said:
as Carebear and Sinsaba pointed out, there is a downward trend. Only five states improved their grades (ME and OR please see me after class) nineteen managed to reduce their grades (polite applause) and 26 were unchanged. But of those 26, 16 were either D or F. You all will be excused from the final
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Which is good news considering it is finals week here...
 
What does a state have to do for a "higher" grade? :what:
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That's easy -- ban and confiscate any and all firearms, pellet guns, bb guns, and airsoft guns (for the children!), search all residences and places of business for any "holdouts," and place anyone who owned a gun -- or had a mind to own a gun -- in the gulag.

Basically, you would have to complete a metamorphosis into something equivalent to Nazi Germany.

Wes
 
Are the laws actually improving; or does the Brady bunch expect more "progress" than has occurred, and therefore the grades steadily trend downward as a way to generate more concern?
 
I'm suspecting

rlltdjpr said:
Are the laws actually improving; or does the Brady bunch expect more "progress" than has occurred, and therefore the grades steadily trend downward as a way to generate more concern?
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I am suspecting the latter.

I feel bad for James Brady, but how did his group get to be the "experts" on what gun control should be? What is the basis for their demands?

Sounds like they just make up what they think should be done. Or it could be that they misunderstand establishing causality. It is common that A happens then B happens with no relationship. It is stupid to say that A causes B without establishing the mechanism.

Woops, I just questioned the sacred cow. :uhoh:
 
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