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[budsgunshop.com]

I've dealt w/Bud's twice now (ammo & an FN57 pistol) and have nothing but good to say about their prices & customer service.
Tomac

Thanks Tomac ! Hope you like your FN57.....it has been among our top 10 sellers dating back into 2007. We buy those in pretty large quantities too, to get the deepest discount. I just heard from our FN rep last week that the FN57 supply well is about to run dry(or at least go into a huge backlog). We placed another big order based on what inventory they had left to ship.

 

[buy guns]

Hey welcome to the site! I bought a 92fs Inox from you guys earlier this year. It was a great transaction and I will buy from you again in the future.


BTW, thanks for shipping to Illinois, especially Cook County where I live.

 

[Atlasx]

Bud's Gunshop

budsgunshop.com , I think good service should be rewarded. I have purchased at least 7 guns, perhaps more via your internet business a couple of them involving trades. I have always gotten friendly service and fair prices. Bud's is my "go to " shop when I search for a new product. I have been happy to recommend your business to others.

Atlasx

(cjg) Alabama

 

[billwiese]

Bud & crew,

Thanks for continuing to support California(ns).

If you have any CA-specific firearms issues you have questions over ("Rostering", assault weapons, etc), please PM me here.

Alternately you can join Calguns.Net for the latest in Calif. gun politics and laws. Several other outside-CA vendors have subforums there.

We have better/more accurate information than the Calif. DOJ Firearms Bureau phone clerks can provide, and we can hook you up with Calif NRA lawyers for the deep deep questions (unlikely).


Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

 

[mike_in_md]

I'll will always remember the dealers that tough it out first. Remember that if you decide to come back to Maryland that others in MD will share my same feelings. Also remember that once you start going into a direction not required by law, you will also alienate gun owners in every state.

 

[alucard0822]

Just out of curiosity was the recieving dealer Sandy@Valley gun? I am curious about the circumstances, we fight hard to restore rights denied to us at the state and national level, and if there was no wrongdoing, there should have been no reprocussions. MD politicians may be able to lean on the ATF, but ultimately they are a federal agency, and any wrongdoing by the ATF and the politicians responsible should be exposed and quick, especially if they are up for re-election in a couple months.

 

[trbon8r]

It is honestly not our intent to offend or exclude anyone in these areas.

As a resident of Maryland, it's not my intent to offend or exclude you when I continue to spend my money with Sporting Arms instead of your company.

I see you send guns to California, but not Maryland. I'm guessing that is because you have 30+ million reasons to do business with California and only 5 million reasons in Maryland. That is your right, just as it is my right to gladly spend my money elsewhere.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

I'll will always remember the dealers that tough it out first. Remember that if you decide to come back to Maryland that others in MD will share my same feelings. Also remember that once you start going into a direction not required by law, you will also alienate gun owners in every state.

Completely understandable mike_in_md. I actually think your loyalty to the dealers who support you today is admirable. We may throw our card in the MD hat one day....and we will just have to take what comes our way.....no hard feelings at all.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

As a resident of Maryland, it's not my intent to offend or exclude you when I continue to spend my money with Sporting Arms instead of your company.

I see you send guns to California, but not Maryland. I'm guessing that is because you have 30+ million reasons to do business with California and only 5 million reasons in Maryland. That is your right, just as it is my right to gladly spend my money elsewhere.

Exactly, it is your right....and I have no animosity towards you, MD, or Sporting Arms....I wish you all the best. As long as everybody gets what they want, or need, I don't see why anybody should be upset over this issue. You obviously want, or need firearms....and Sporting Arms is able to accommodate your needs....so everybody wins.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

Just out of curiosity was the recieving dealer Sandy@Valley gun? I am curious about the circumstances, we fight hard to restore rights denied to us at the state and national level, and if there was no wrongdoing, there should have been no reprocussions. MD politicians may be able to lean on the ATF, but ultimately they are a federal agency, and any wrongdoing by the ATF and the politicians responsible should be exposed and quick, especially if they are up for re-election in a couple months.

Let me see if I can get any additional specifics out of Bud this week. We usually have lunch together a few times per week. Depending on the sensitivity, I may PM you the details, do not want to stir up any bad blood for anyone involved up in MD.

 

[zoostation]

I too am a Marylander (by birth and employment not by choice ) and I also appreciate the quick, polite, and professional responses by Rex in this thread.

I would add however that I would urge them to look closely into this "friend of a friend" story before making any business decisions based on this information. I'm not saying it never happened, how can I know that. But I will say I have been a collector and very active in pro-2A causes in this state for a number of years, and I have also been an LEO in a metropolitan area county agency here for 22 years. Much like our brethren in some other socialist controlled states, gun owners here are an oppressed but large percentage of the populaton and we stay very active in monitoring local events and defending our rights. I personally have never heard of anybody local losing their license for legally selling a firearm to anyone in this state, let alone a distributor losing theirs because they sold it to the dealer. And I honestly think I would have.

In fact, the only FFL I can think of even being revoked here in the last few years was of a local dealer and active NRA board member who had amassed (according to the ATF) literally thousands of violations over the years and was missing several hundred guns out of his inventory. Even then he was given second chance after second chance, put on a special monitoring program by ATF (the results of which they obviously weren't happy with), and eventually fought out a court battle and appeal before they finally pulled the FFL down off the wall. Now this is the ATF side of the story and I'm not trying to ignite a pissing match over whether they were picking on him or not. There's a zillion news stories out there dealing with it, anyone can google Valley Gun and make their own call. But I do feel safe in saying that if it was this incident, then it was nothing to do with one gun or one vindictive politician (in my opinion). And I do believe there are plenty of very pro-2A folks in the area who are familiar with this situation and would agree with me, and many of us who knew him don't feel real sorry for this guy.

So my only point is, before giving our local anti-gun ballbags a de facto victory, I would ask you to look closer into this story onto which you are basing your decision. And I don't mean any disrespect to anyone's associates or friends nor do I mean to impune anyone's credibility. But misunderstandings can occur all the time even under the best of circumstances.

While we do have some dumb laws here, I don't find them to be nearly as bad as what they have in NJ, Cali, or Massachussetts. We do have a handgun roster of approved guns for sale made after 1984 but it is quite expansive, much larger than Cali or Mass, and just about any manufacturer or dealer who applies for a gun to be put on there gets it approved, including even low-price guns like Hi-Points. There is no field-testing or drop testing, it's just a board that meets in a room every six months or so. ( http://www.mdsp.org/services/handgun.asp ) We do have a shell casing requirement for all new handguns, that is a PITA. We also have an integrated lock law for all handguns made 2003 or later, but that can be satisified with an Omega Lock (considered an integrated lock here) at the dealer's and doesn't even really affect distributors.

On the bright side we still have Class 3's and NFA's allowed. Full autos, SBR, and cans are all legal as long as you go through the ATF and state police processes. We can still own all of those scary-looking evil "assault rifles" too. We can still have mags up to 20 rounds purchased in-state, and can legally possess any size mag purchased and received out of state.

So you see, while this is obviously not a pro-gun paradise, it isn't as bad as some other states. In my opinion, you are in a lot more legal jeopardy selling to places like New York or Jersey, right next door to Bloomberg's little sue-happy slice of heaven, or California where local prosecutors have even tried to get out of state dealers prosecuted criminally for selling knives mail order into the state, than you would be selling to us here.

(Besides, I want a Ruger P9C and you guys must have bought all the last ones and have the best price. )



All of the above post reflects only my personal opinions. I am not a lawyer, I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, and none of the above information should be taken as legal advice.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

zoostation......THANK YOU !!

That was the most sincere an informative email I have ever received regarding this issue. Most MD residents just want to rip my tail, which I accept, but it does not get us anywhere. I have actually printed your message (I hope that's ok ?) and will sit down with Bud this week and discuss some of the very interesting points you have made.

As you are obviously an excellent resource when it comes to MD regulations...I may PM you with a few questions after meeting with Bud.

 

[DD214]

Zoostation's post sums it up quite nicely. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out the reasoning behind banning all sales to MD but allowing sales to CA, MA, NJ, and NY. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that Bud was given some BS information (even if unintentional).

 

[retgarr]

Rex, I appreciate you interacting with THR memebers here. I hope to make a purchase from you too. Might be an M&P or a VZ58. Although your VZ58's are not price competitive at this point. I understand if this is an unavoidable circumstance since of course you need to make money on a sale. I thought I'd point it out, also you don't seem to have the folding stock version.

 

[kingpin008]

Rex - I'll fully admit that I'm one of the ones that's been "ripping your tail" over this whole thing, and for that, I apologize. I know that you yourself have nothing to do with the decision, but I hope you understand how frustrating it is for us here in MD. We've been told what the reason was, and to us, it seems like Bud's quarrel is with the ATF, if anyone. We feel like because of one random, questionable incident, we're the ones who have an excellent resource for affordable firearms taken from us.

It's tough to keep the happy face on, ya know?

But for my part in giving you a hard time, I do apologize. It's not your fault, and I (like the rest of us here, MD resident or not) appreciate your willingness to register here and talk with us one-on-one. Many other shops and merchants don't bother. Good luck in talking to Bud - heck, maybe have him come visit us here (and at mdshooters.com, where he can see for himself what kind of business he's missing out on, lol) so we can plead our case.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

Rex, I appreciate you interacting with THR memebers here. I hope to make a purchase from you too. Might be an M&P or a VZ58. Although your VZ58's are not price competitive at this point. I understand if this is an unavoidable circumstance since of course you need to make money on a sale. I thought I'd point it out, also you don't seem to have the folding stock version.

Hey retgarr ! If you will let me know where you need to be on price for the VZ58 you want I will see what I can do. We get CZ's direct, not through a distributor, so we should be able to match or beat any new in box price.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

Much appreciated kingpin...and also very big of you.

I am going to pursue this with Bud, and all of the information I have received since joining THR just last week will be a big help. I was thinking about easing him into the idea by choosing a few strategically located, well known, and respected MD FFL's to work with. I do think it would be a good idea to go and visit some prospective transferring MD FFL's. Bud loves people, loves talking to people, about anything and everything.....so I think meeting the people who would be receiving and transferring our firearms would ease his mind quite a bit.

 

[kingpin008]

Rex - I think that's a great idea. I can understand that in the business you all are in, one needs to maintain a pretty high level of "cover your a$$", but I also think that what others have said here is absolutely correct. Maryland may not be a paradise for gun owners, but we're head and shoulders above some of the locations you folks still sell to.

As I mentioned before, you might want to drop by the Maryland Shooter's forum, and talk to some of the folks there too. I'm on there, as is Alucard, DD214, Zoostation, and I think a few other folks who've chimed in here so far. We also have a fair number of FFL's (of all varieties - from 01's to Class III/SOT dealers) who I'm sure would be more than happy to field any questions you or Bud may have.

I truly hope that Bud is able to see that us Marylanders aren't a lost cause, and are worthy of being "given another shot". We've got a lot of dollars to spend, and like everyone else, we're always looking for a good deal.

 

[Norton]

Rex,

I'm really happy to see that you're taking the lead in working with Bud to see if this impasse can be corrected. I'll admit to being one of the shop's biggest critics over this issue since, from everything I've seen, there's no reason to be any more reticent to deal with legitimate FFLs in this state than others like NJ, NY or CA which have far more restrictions on firearms ownership than MD.

I'd be happy to help you out with the names of some strategically placed FFLs in MD who have a history of working well with us.

 

[AKbythebay]

You can add my name to the list of prospective buyers from Maryland. I was very disappointed a few months ago to find that Bud's will not sell to Maryland residents. I was fully prepared to buy from Bud's on gunbroker.com and I had my local FFL all lined up and ready to proceed. Then I saw the "no guns to MD per Bud" part of the ad. What a bummer.

Just let me say I have bought numerous guns online (modern pistols, rifles, shotguns, AK's, C&R guns) and had them shipped to my MD FFL with no problems at all.

It sounds like Bud may have had an issue with one "bad apple" FFL in MD. Please don't shut off our entire state because of one bad guy. Bud's has excellent prices and a great reputation. Please do what you can to open your sales back up to the many thousands of potential Maryland customers.

 

[cluttonfred]

I am currently living overseas, so not affected by any of this directly, but my family is from Massachusetts and my grandfather operated a gun shop and had an FFL for over 50 years. He is now retired and maintains only a C&R.

I am not a lawyer, so I would be appreciate if someone more knowledgable than me can explain how Buds Gun Shop or anyone else can be held accountable for what they sell nationwide. I can see how a state like Massachusetts can decide to ban a particular item and go after people in Massachusetts who buy or sell them, but how is it that a shop in Ohio or elsewhere is also subject to Massachusetts law? Somehow you would think that Federal laws governing interstate commerce would apply.

So if tomorrow, a particular state or county or city or town decides to ban, say, cell phones as bad for your health, they can then go after every online electronics retailer that ships products to their area? It seems pretty bogus to me, but then again, that's probably why I'm not a lawyer.

 

[redduck21502]

Hey, I have a registered username here!!!


anyway, I was thinking on the same lines as Owlnmole, I thought the purchaser and the receiving FFL were the ones held liable for guns brought into the state.

I have always wanted to buy from BunsGunShop, especially since I needed to buy my FNP-9 and you guys sponsor the fnforum, but no luck there. Maybe next time. I think Bud will find that MD is not much different than other states. The only real issue is the fired shell casing requirement. We have an "integrated gun lock" requirement on post 2002 handguns too, but the Omega Lock now satisfies this requirement, and the receiving FFL takes care of this. We do have a handgun roster that lists the handguns that can be sold in MD, again, not a big issue for Bud, most handguns are listed and I would imagine that the receving FFL would just not be able to release a handgun that is not on the list.

I have purchased a couple weapons on the internet without any issues; one AK-47, three AR15 lowers, and one handgun. Nothing to be afraid of in MD. I hate to see decent priced dealers not sell to MD residents, it creates a de Facto ban on weapons if nobody will sell to us. Thankfully, there are many dealers or we could be hurting. Some in state dealers jack the prices up knowing that many online dealers are afraid to send firearms into MD. Then they jack the transfer fees up to get you to buy from them instead of sending for one. It's not the best situation in the US, but we need decent prices on guns from dealers like BudsGunShop.

Help keep the Free State free!

 

[mike_in_md]

I am going to pursue this with Bud, and all of the information I have received since joining THR just last week will be a big help. I was thinking about easing him into the idea by choosing a few strategically located, well known, and respected MD FFL's to work with. I do think it would be a good idea to go and visit some prospective transferring MD FFL's. Bud loves people, loves talking to people, about anything and everything.....so I think meeting the people who would be receiving and transferring our firearms would ease his mind quite a bit.

Rex,

You seem like a nice guy, and I appreciate that you're discussing this important issue in such a public place, and are even now considering lifting your total gun ban in Maryland since you joined THR. But, I have a concern about your shop working only with a select few FFLs in my state. I'd like to see every legitate FFL in my state having access to other FFLs. The only thing I could understand is a very small list of FFLs that you will not do business with due to good reasons. I consider your current proposal for MD a partial gun ban by budsgunshop, and that is all the reason I would need not to buy products from you. In fact I will actively advocate against buying from any business that attempts such a partial gun ban.

 

[kingpin008]

That's an excellent point. Maryland isn't the largest state in the nation, but for some of us, traveling to a FFL approved by Bud's may prove to be a prohibitive expense, both financially and time-wise. I'd suggest that Bud come speak with some of our dealers, and attempt to satisfy any questions or wories that he may have, and then either resume sales to Maryland dealers as a whole (perhaps excluding a handful of dealers that are known to run a questionable business, if any) or continue to not deal with us at all.

 

[budsgunshop.com]

All interesting perspectives on a sensitive issue. As we have accumulated +70 responses to this post thus far, it is obviously an issue that has a wide range of opinions and associated emotions. I will commit to give this some serious consideration.

Ironic....we just now received a load of Kimber, and as I was walking past the boxes being unloaded I noticed all had stickers that say "No Shell Case Enclosed for MD or NY".