Carrying Into Other People's Homes

[Alberforth]

Unlike a lot of other examples given, concealed carry is not normal and common, so the presumption that it would be acceptable to most hosts actually has no possible foundation.

"Guns are evil" is just a straw man. This issue is not about the correctness of the position taken by the host. They have the right to be wrong. You do not have the right to assume they approve of an activity which is engaged in by a very small minority of citizens.

This is not about whether concealed carry is okay. It's not about whether gun ownership is okay. As well as the rights of the host it's about the fact that in today's world it is common to fear loaded guns, in fact it probably is the case more often than not.

Even if concealed carry became very common--say close to half of people carried weapons--this issue wouldn't go away, it would just come out into the open and a ceremony of respect for the host would very likely develop, just as apparently it used to exist in some cultures in the past.

 

[Neverwinter]

A homeowner should not have to explain anything to anyone when in their own home.

We're not in your house. We're having a discussion on a forum. Normally a rational person bases their decisions on reasoning. What is the reasoning?

 

[Old krow]

This, to me, just panders to the ridiculous notion that guns are bad. I guess, at the end of the day, I'm kind of a pro-firearms activist.

I didn't get that out of that post at all.

It's the homeowner's choice. Guns aren't bad. It's no different from from a homeowner asking you to take your shoes off when you walk into their home.

I would be more concerned about the feelings of my friends if I were to violate one of their rules in their own home than I would be anybody else. If I knew they didn't like guns or would object if they knew, then I doubt I'd carry. On the other hand, I don't have any friends that would object or that I wouldn't trust with firearms in my own home so the whole paragraph is a moot point.

If you have a legal obligation to disclose, then disclose.

Normally a rational person bases their decisions on reasoning. What is the reasoning?

The same could be asked for the reasoning behind bringing the gun into the home. Neither question should have to be answered, they're rights. It's not mine to question "why" a homeowner wouldn't let me in with a gun anymore than it is for someone to ask me why I "need" a gun.

If Jessica Alba invited me into her home on the condition that I didn't bring my gun in, I'd get a car safe.

 

[Neverwinter]

The same could be asked for the reasoning behind bringing the gun into the home. Neither question should have to be answered, they're rights. It's not mine to question "why" a homeowner wouldn't let me in with a gun anymore than it is for someone to ask me why I "need" a gun.

I've never disputed any rights. I posted a series of hypothetical questions about the bounds of their position. It's okay if you are not willing to reason about it, but don't pretend it's a rational position.

 

[Single Action Six]

I Wouldn't Go..!!

I wonder what some of you would do if Jessica Alba invited you into her home but said you couldn't bring your gun?

Believe it or not, I wouldn't go (for several reasons).. even if I thought I had a chance to (ahhhh) see her.

Single Action Six

 

[General Geoff]

Unlike a lot of other examples given, concealed carry is not normal and common, so the presumption that it would be acceptable to most hosts actually has no possible foundation.

Possible foundation: Concealed carry does not hurt or typically even bother anyone, thus there is no logical reason to assume someone is against concealed carry in their household.

You do not have the right to assume they approve of an activity which is engaged in by a very small minority of citizens.

Since said activity is completely harmless, you do in fact have that right. And they have every right to kick you out if they actually don't approve. In other words, lack of posting or other means of knowing they explicitly disapprove of concealed carry, is tacit approval of concealed carry.




Keep in mind I'm playing devil's advocate here, as I don't carry concealed. Anyone whose home I visit will know I'm armed since I carry openly (in case this point was missed in an earlier post).

 

[fallingblock]

I'd carry unless there is a known aversion on the part of the host.

All my close friends and family know me as a "gun guy" who carries daily where legal.

I don't like the idea of leaving a weapon in an unoccupied vehicle.

I guess I'd carry unless it was a known problem for the host.

In that case, I'd probably invite them to my place instead of going to theirs.

 

[BADUNAME37]

I would respect the wishes of the homeowner.
I would not necessarily advertise that I am carrying as I am not obligated to.

As for friends and relatives who come into my house, I don't care if they are carrying concealed or open. Hey, if we can strike up a gun conversation and compare our guns, all the more fun! Hopefully no one will ever come into my house unless they are either family or friend!

At least, if the wrong people happened to come into my house while a friend or relative may be carrying, I would feel more comfort in knowing that more than one room is covered (when guests are milling around my house during Thanksgiving dinner, for example).

 

[lizziedog1]

As for people who come into my house, I don't care if they are carrying concealed or open.

I hope you mean people that you know.

 

[cambeul41]

It's no different from from a homeowner asking you to take your shoes off when you walk into their home.

If I were so asked, I would do so -- just as I do at home.
If I saw shoes in the entranceway, I would consider that to be the equivalent of posting the custom of the house and take mine off unasked.

If I were to be asked not to bring in my gun (never happened yet), I would comply.
If the house were to be posted. I would comply.
If I knew the home owner to be anti, I would inquire or simply leave it in the car.

If I am with a Jew or Muslim, I avoid eating pork and I would not bring the subject of eating pork into the discussion.

If I am going into the house of someone whose biases I do not know, I am unlikely to initiate a discussion of what I have on under my clothes. Their house, their rules, yes -- iff (if and only if) they make them clear. I am not in the business of interrogating potential hosts about their likes, dislikes, and belief systems. I have been called "abnormal" for carrying a multi-tool.

 

[hso]

This is a simple question with a simple answer, but many want to make it into a more complicated issue.

If you know that a home owner, not a business or some other property open to the public, doesn't want a firearm brought on their property, should you comply or not if you are carrying concealed? Should you ask if it is ok or leave it unasked is a secondary question.

It is a courtesy issue, not a rights issue since your right to do something in your own home or in public isn't relevant to someone else's home.

As we see, some say "NO" and others here say "YES".

 

[BADUNAME37]

I hope you mean people that you know.

Correct, this pertains to family and friends.
Any enemies I may have would most likely not come into my house, however, I cannot think of a single person I would consider to be an enemy.

 

[brnmuenchow]

Most of the people closest to me know I carry, but typically I may leave it in the car depending on the person and area I am in around town.

 

[youngda9]

As well as the rights of the host it's about the fact that in today's world it is common to fear loaded guns, in fact it probably is the case more often than not.

Then how about we, as gun owners, decide to stop nurturing this notion?

Let's not treat our firearms as some evil dangerous mythical creature that must be whispered about and asked permission to be around. It is a part of me and my wardrobe, no different than my knife(ohhh, dangerous), flashlight, keys, or wallet.

Carry as you normally do, if the homeowner has concerns or rules for entering his home...he can voice them upon your arrival. I will not assume that the homeowner is a hoplophobe.

 

[BADUNAME37]

Then how about we, as gun owners, decide to stop nurturing this notion?

Let's not treat our firearms as some evil dangerous mythical creature that must be whispered about and asked permission to be around. It is a part of me and my wardrobe, no different than my knife(ohhh, dangerous), flashlight, keys, or wallet.

Carry as you normally do, if the homeowner has concerns or rules for entering his home...he can voice them upon your arrival. I will not assume that the homeowner is a hoplophobe.

I second that.

 

[Bob M.]

If you have a CCW permit and you DON'T carry into my house, then I'll throw you out!!

 

[Robert]

What is the reasoning?

See #111

 

[gym]

Again this is a lot of hot air. I don't ask the people I am visiting if they have a gun in their home, "if you were so afraid of guns you would have to ask them if they were armed also", and I don't ask them if they have illegal drugs counterfit money stolen property of any other darn thing that has nothing to do with my visit.
Otherwise you would both be outside comparing lists of what you both found acceptable to be around.
Certain things are personell, I take my gun, as I take my keys or wallett, after 40 years I don't think, "gee I have a gun on me", most folks I know carry 2 guns and knife. And I don't live in the woods someware, It's one of the better zip codes in the state, and in the Country. So a lot of this kind of thinking has been asked and answered a dozen times if you look at the search feature. Again no one ever asked me that question, and I don't go trying to convert people. My family may know ,or not but I really don't care. Should they tell me no guns, "which has never happened" in 62 years, I would leave. Simple. If they don't want to come to my home or ride in my car, "never happened", fine don't come. I find if anything most people who have heard you have an interest in guns, through a relative or close friend, want to know more about what they should get. Things have changed since the 60's in NYC, when it wasn't "cool" to speak about guns. Now with the current climate of pending doom, folks seem to want to know as much as they can learn in order to make an informed decision as to if or what they should get.
So let's put this non-issue to bed and talk about something that has a little merritt. I am sure that unless you go around showing your gun to everyone because you just got it, you will find someone who is going to hate guns. I have a neighboor who hates them. She is under the impression that anyone who has one may flip out and go on a killing spree. But we all know she is a crackpot. So don't worry about issues that aren't really issues until you make them issues

 

[Neverwinter]

What is the reasoning?

See #111

In case you didn't see it, that post was in response to a deflection of two questions. Post 111 specifically excludes that aspect of discussion.

"For those who demand involuntary disclosure, I have a series of questions. Would it be permissible if the person was carrying a Steyr M-series pistol whose key lock has been engaged and the key was not on their person? Would it be permissible if the pistol was unloaded? If either of these answers are NO, please explain your reasoning."

None of those proponents have stepped up to illuminate the nature of their belief, leading the rest of us to think that it is an irrational preference.

 

[rellascout]

"For those who demand involuntary disclosure, I have a series of questions. Would it be permissible if the person was carrying a Steyr M-series pistol whose key lock has been engaged and the key was not on their person? Would it be permissible if the pistol was unloaded? If either of these answers are NO, please explain your reasoning."

The answer would be no on all counts if it suites me. I do not need to give you a reason. I do not answer the question when people ask why I feel the need to carry a gun. I simply state that it is my choice and exercising that choice. I do not need to state the "reasoning" behind who I vote for or the "reasoning" behind why I am an atheist. I do not need to state why I am excerising my rights do you?

If I am the property owner I set the rules. No reasoning needed. It does not matter what the condition of the Steyr is. It could be dissassebled and I would still not allow you to carry it in my home simply because.

 

[Old krow]

It's okay if you are not willing to reason about it, but don't pretend it's a rational position.

I'm not hiding behind an "irrational" decision at all. It's perfectly rational. My position is that it is the homeowners decision. I do not need to be given a reason why I cannot or should not enter someone's home carrying a gun. That's their home and their choice.

In my own home, I probably wouldn't invite you in the first place if I felt like you having a gun in my home was an issue or that inviting you into my home that already has guns would be an issue. I've never actually asked someone entering my home if they were armed. Come to think of it, I've also never been asked. I doubt that I ever ask anyone. If some asks me, I'll deal with it then. However, if their position is "no guns in my home" then I will abide it one way or the other. They have to do the same in my house. I suppose we're just civil about this type of stuff around here.

You guys must get a lot more traffic in your own homes than I do. +90% of the visitors in my house are family or friends and they already know.

Because of this thread I decided to post a sign on my door regarding the gun policy in my home. It reads:

"No Taurus Judges, No Smith and Wesson Governors, No Desert Eagles."

 

[rellascout]

I'm not hiding behind an "irrational" decision at all. It's perfectly rational. My position is that it is the homeowners decision. I do not need to be given a reason why I cannot or should not enter someone's home carrying a gun. That's their home and their choice.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Maverick_52]

South Carolina requires that you have permission to enter someones home carrying concealed so there really is no issue. Homeowners hould have the right to make the decision regarding their own homes.

 

[gamestalker]

I carry open most of the time. During a recent visit to my Daughter's home, a friend of her's, a male, came in and after a moment or two noticed I was wearing. He went ballistic and started yelling at me to get the @#&# out of the house with my gun. My Daughter very quickly responded with his options to either leave, or shut up and calm doen. He was absolutely ignorant to firearms, and only viewed them as threatening and dangerous. My Daughter tried for a good 10 minutes to get him to calm down enough to hear what she was saying, without any sucess what so ever. He was yelling that I must be crazy to expose my Daughter, and Grand Daughter to a gun. He continued expressing his fear and aprehension, which quickly lead to her asking him to leave. I could understand if I had been playing with it or passing it around, but I never touched the gun, or made refrence to it at all.
Of all the reactions I've ever encountered to my gun, that was deffinitely the most extreme.

 

[gamestalker]

My opinion is simple, in that, I don't have friends or family that would even be concerned about me carrying, other than maybe asking what are carrying today?