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Court backs off-duty officer's use of deadly force

Copyright 2003 Law Bulletin Publishing Company
Chicago Daily Law Bulletin

October 16, 2003, Thursday

Police officer was justified in shooting fleeing car thief where suspect's driving posed risk to several bystanders.

Today's column reviews a new decision by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that upheld an off-duty police officer's use of deadly force against a man who was attempting to steal the officer's personal vehicle. Scott, et al. v. Edinburg, et al., No. 02-4085 (7th Cir., Oct. 9).

At approximately 11 p.m. on May 17, 1999, Rodney L. Edinburg, an off-duty Village of Glenwood police officer drove his red convertible Ford Mustang into a Marathon gas station on the South Side of Chicago and parked the car with the top down. Edinburg left the keys in the ignition and approached an adjacent hotdog stand.


While ordering a hotdog, Edinburg discovered that someone had jumped into his car and was attempting to steal it. Edinburg ran toward the car yelling, "Stop, stop!" and "That's my car!" The reverse lights came on, and the car backed toward Edinburg who was forced to run backward to avoid being hit.

The alleged thief, Phillip Scott, looked over his shoulder at Edinburg as the vehicle backed up, at which time Edinburg yelled, "Stop, police!" and drew his revolver. Within a few seconds, the car stopped backing up and began to drive forward as Scott attempted to escape with the vehicle.

At just about the time the car stopped and began to move forward, Edinburg shot at Scott. But, with tires skidding, the car sped off.

Edinburg claimed that as Scott drove through the parking lot at a high rate of speed, Edinburg saw two people in the direct path of the car and others ducking for cover.

According to at least two bystanders, however, no one was in the car's path, and no one was forced to move out of the way.

It was undisputed though that between 12 and 14 people were in the gas station parking lot throughout the incident.

While the car was still in the lot, Edinburg fired a second shot. As the vehicle exited the parking lot, proceeding north on State Street, Edinburg followed on foot and fired at least six more shots at the fleeing car thief.

Shortly thereafter, Scott died of a gunshot wound, and the car crashed. Though it is unclear which gunshot killed Scott, it was undisputed that the fatal shot was fired while Scott was still on the gas station property.

Several of Scott's family members filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Edinburg and the Village of Glenwood, contending that the use of deadly force against Phillip was excessive and in violation of his Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizure.

Following discovery, U.S. District Judge John A. Nordberg granted summary judgment in favor of the defendants, concluding that the use of force was justified because of Edinburg's fear for his own life and that of the dozen or so bystanders at the gas station. The plaintiffs appealed.

The 7th Circuit affirmed, although it took issue with a portion of the District Court's reasoning. Writing for the appeals court, Judge Kenneth F. Ripple began by reviewing the legal principles governing the use of deadly force:

"A police officer's use of deadly force constitutes a seizure within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, and therefore it must be reasonable...

"In Tennessee v. Garner 471 U.S. 1, 7, the Supreme Court outlined the principles for evaluating whether the use of deadly force is reasonable under the Fourth Amendment: 'Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force. Thus, if the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.' "

The appeals court explained that the Fourth Amendment inquiry had to take into account the practical realities of a rapidly evolving crisis:

"The 'particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight....' 'The question is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation....' Moreover, the reasonableness calculation 'must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments -- in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving -- about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation....'

"Consequently, 'when an officer believes that a suspect's actions place him, his partner or those in the immediate vicinity in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury, the officer can reasonably exercise the use of deadly force.' "

In light of those principles, the 7th Circuit addressed Edinburg's contention that his use of deadly force was justified under Garner because of his belief that Scott was trying to run him over. The appeals court disagreed with Nordberg's conclusion that Edinburg had presented sufficient evidence to warrant summary judgment in his favor:

"In Ellis v. Wynalda, 999 F.2d 243 (7th Cir. 1993), we noted that, even 'when an officer faces a situation in which he could justifiably shoot, he does not retain the right to shoot at any time thereafter with impunity....' Thus, the timing of Officer Edinburg's first shot is critical. It is undisputed that every shot after the first one was fired while the car was moving away from Officer Edinburg ... but the timing of the first shot is unclear...

"The plaintiffs agreed with the defendants that 'at the point where the vehicle stopped moving toward defendant Edinburg and began moving away from Edinburg, he fired his weapon at Scott.'

"However, in his deposition testimony, Officer Edinburg initially stated that the car was in the process of backing up and stopping when he fired the first shot... Four pages later, the following exchange occurred: 'Q: At the time you fired the first shot, was the vehicle backing up, standing still or moving away from you? A: Moving away from me.' The discrepancy in Officer Edinburg's testimony is significant.

"If the fatal shot was fired while Mr. Scott was driving away, then the argument that Officer Edinburg was compelled to fire in order to protect himself would be significantly weakened. Accordingly, there is a genuine issue of material fact as to the timing of the first shot, which precludes a grant of summary judgment based on Garner's justification for self-defense."

Notwithstanding its conclusion that Edinburg was not entitled to summary judgment on the claim that he fired in self-defense, the appeals court affirmed based on evidence that Edinburg was attempting to protect bystanders:

"Mr. Scott's attempt to run over Officer Edinburg is relevant in considering the reasonableness of Officer Edinburg's perception that the bystanders were in danger.

"In Ellis, we explained, 'If Ellis had threatened the officer with a weapon and then run off with the weapon, a reasonable officer ... could believe that Ellis created a danger to the community.' Officer Edinburg knew that Mr. Scott already had committed a forcible felony and had attempted to run him down in order to escape or at least had acted recklessly with respect to that possibility... Moreover, Officer Edinburg knew that Mr. Scott was escaping at a high rate of speed through a parking lot with 12 to 14 bystanders and demonstrating little concern for anyone's safety. These facts support Officer Edinburg's argument that the use of deadly force was permissible to protect third parties in danger."

The court rejected the plaintiffs' contention that the affidavits of bystanders to the effect that no one in the parking lot was in the direct path of the Mustang warranted a jury trial:

"The affidavits clearly create a disputed fact as to whether people were in the direct path of the car and whether they were forced to run and duck out of its way. Nevertheless, this conflict does not preclude summary judgment because the threatened individuals need not have been placed in the direct path of the threat. Deadly force may be exercised if the suspect's actions place the officer, 'his partner, or those in the immediate vicinity in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury....'

"Moreover, as we have noted, at the time Officer Edinburg fired the fatal shots, there were between twelve and fourteen patrons in the gas station parking lot, Mr. Scott had committed a forcible felony by stealing Officer Edinburg's car, and Mr. Scott had placed Officer Edinburg in danger. The affidavits do not dispute these facts; therefore, they do not reject the basis for our conclusion that it was objectively reasonable for Officer Edinburg to perceive that the bystanders in the Marathon gas station parking lot were at risk of injury from Mr. Scott." Civil Rights By James G. Sotos Sotos is a partner of the law firm of Hervas, Sotos, Condon & Bersani P.C. in Itasca, concentrating in government representation. Sotos represents Illinois municipalities and governmental officials in federal and state litigation at the trial and appellate levels. He is a 1985 graduate of The John Marshall Law School.
 
From a non cop, non lawyer point of view;

Cop left his keys in his car. How many times have we as citizens been told to never leave our keys in the car? A citizen would have been accused of contributing to the crime because of this act.

Cop runs up behind a car moving backwards towards him. Yells and hollars for the theif to stop and then identifying himself as a cop. Thief stops, and pulls away.
Cop pulls gun and shoots at theif. There is confusion as to weather or not cop shoots first shot as the car is aproaching him or pulling away. Then cop shoots many more times at a moving target when there are people around. People can see a car and have the oppurtunity to get out of the way. You can't see a bullet coming. Cop runs behind fleeing thief shooting at him. Theif is fleeing the scene, so just how many times have the cops told us citizens that if a criminal is fleeing from us, they are not a threat?

Just my opinion, but if a citizen, even one with a CCW in a gun friendly state would have done this exact thing. He'd be in prison till the second coming.
He'd would have been arrested for murder, reckless endangerment, illegal discharge of a firearm not in self defence, and who knows what else.
And I'll bet the courts would have upheld the sentence.

What we have seen here is the classic case of the old double standard.
No offence to LEO members, but this shoot stinks. And I don't accept the courts reasoning for finding him justified.
 
Sho would have been a lot quieter there if the cop had taken the keys out of the car. Lot less tax money spent on the court stuff too.

Sam
 
Have to agree - if this was a good shoot for a LEO, it was a good shoot for a non-LEO, and I think we all know how far THAT would fly.


Many departments prohibit shooting at moving vehicles because of the danger of hitting innocent people or causing a car to go out of control and hit someone.

Even IF this was legally justifiec, it was stupid.
 
...an off-duty Village of Glenwood police officer drove his red convertible Ford Mustang into a Marathon gas station on the South Side of Chicago and parked the car with the top down. Edinburg left the keys in the ignition...

Way too stupid to be trusted with a hot dog, much less a gun and badge.
 
The way I see it a car is a deadly weapon, they kill lots of people, stopping this now and preventing what would have most likely turned into a high-speed chase later was erring on the side of protecting the public and I think the courts are right in dropping it.

The fact that the keys were in the car are moot. Was it stupid to leave them in? Yes, but it's just as illegal to steal a car with the keys in it as without. The theif chose to break the law and take the risks. His decision, he had to deal with the consequences. Saying the theif isn't as much as fault for because he left the car vulnerable is like saying your at fault because someone used your gun to kill someone.

There is no law or moral objection against leaving your keys in the car, there is with someone stealing it and driving recklessly.

YMMV, etc . . .
 
There is no law or moral objection against leaving your keys in the car, there is with someone stealing it and driving recklessly.
Guess it depends on the local statutes. Some places leaving keys in unattended vehicle is a citable offence.

Not to lessen the degree of crime on the part of the now reformed thief.

Sam
 
Originally posted by Bluesbear:
Was this cop related to the other Chigago area cops who sold the guns they weren't supposed to have to the guy who then went on a shooting spree? :D
Bluesbear, I don't know. What information leads you to believe this might be the case?
 
The fact that the keys were in the car are moot.
I don't think it is. We all know that leaving keys in a car raises the chances of it getting stolen.

If Edinburg justifies the use deadly force to prevent a high speed chase, then he must assume part of the fault since he left the keys in the car facilitating it's theft. If a car driven by a thief is so dangerous as to be a danger to public safety, then leaving the car in a condition where somebody could jump in and drive away with it was grossly irresponsible.

Furthermore, isn't shooting at a moving, 3500lb vehicle a more immediate danger to public safety? If he missed, he could hit bystanders. If he killed the guy immediately, the car could have gone careening into traffic or bystanders.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the actions of the thief, but folks must assume some responsibility when they act stupidly.

Is it prudent to leave your house unlocked and all of your guns out if you are just running next door to your neighbor's? If you saw somebody leaving your house with a bag full of your guns, can you shoot him in the back because he's a danger to the public?
 
quote:Originally posted by Bluesbear:
Was this cop related to the other Chigago area cops who sold the guns they weren't supposed to have to the guy who then went on a shooting spree? :D


Bluesbear, I don't know. What information leads you to believe this might be the case?


There is strong circumstantial evidence for a genetic link.



:neener:
 
If a car driven by a thief is so dangerous as to be a danger to public safety, then [facilitating the theft] was grossly irresponsible.

I was in Albuquerque, NM about 3 weeks ago, and the banner headline of the Sunday Journal indicated the NM Supreme Court had just ruled that a car owner CAN be held civilly liable for any damage caused by a car thief if the keys are left in the car.

Bad shoot. Danger to the public or not, the guranteed double standard in the way this precedent will be applied makes it bad.
 
Double standard....???

Is there in fact a double standard in play here?

If so, there shouldn't be. From a legal perspective, (IIRC) the ONLY difference between an armed LEO and an armed citizen is that the LEO has a DUTY to protect life if he sees it endangered, and a citizen does NOT.

And yet, it certainly _seems_ that LEO's get passes left and right on dubious shoots, where citizens wouldn't. (I'm not 100% convinced that's actually the case, one way or the other, but it sure does seem that way)

The related factor is the error rate of bystander injuries in LEO vs AC shootings. IIRC, the error rate for LEO was something like 11%, and the armed citizen was something like 2%. IMO, I think the difference is because the AC is inherently reluctant to present and shoot, due to the amount of legal problems, whereas the cost of failure for LEO isn't quite so high.

LEO's are buffered from directly being fed into the legal system by their board of inquiries, whereas AC's are directly fed to the local prosecutor.



:scrutiny: :scrutiny: :scrutiny:
 
:banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :fire: Warning!!! You are about to see a RANT. What ever happened to personal responsibility, that people have to decide who is guilty when a person commits a crime?
When I was a youngster, we never locked doors at home. We even left notes for expected guests who might arrive while we left for a time. This country has gotten in the mess it is in because people are not held responsible for the things they do.
Bye the way, this was written for my own eddification. You are free to read it or ignore it.
Down, Boy, down:rolleyes:
 
Pointing out that the cop was STUPID is not saying anything at all about the responsibility of the thief. He is 100% responsible for what he did (stealing a car).

And the cop is 100% responsible for what HE did (leaving his keys in the ignition and shooting irresponsibly).


One doesn't lessen the other.
 
I dunno...

It annoys me that the cop gets a free ride and doesn't have to meet the standards of an ordinary citizen - but that's nothing new, cops have always been held to a lower standard than the rest of us.

Yet, I really don't have a problem with shooting a thief! The guy got exactly what he deserved and I don't care a whit if the cop left his keys in the car! If this was a rape case, would we blame the (female) cop for wearing a sexy outfit? I don't think so...

Don't blame the victim!

Keith
 
Keith sez:
...cops have always been held to a lower standard than the rest of us.

Yeah, right :rolleyes:.

How many citizens would be completely villainized for shooting an insane party with a knife who won't drop it and is has closed to about five feet?

How many citizens are constantly barraged with BS like "why didn't you just shoot the gun/knife out of his hand?", and "why couldn't you shoot him in the leg?", and the current media darling, "why didn't you use a Taser?" God help the cop if the criminal is another color.

I'm not passing judgement on the incident in the article, as I wasn't there and haven't seen all the evidence. One thing to consider is that most states still have a "fleeing felon" rule, allowing cops to use deadly force to stop any fleeing felon. This is considered a throwback to different times, and department policies usually don't allow it, but it's still legal. Sometimes, I think it should be brought back. In this incident the criminal got his just comuppance and no one else was hurt. Where's the problem?

Let's not make this a cop bashing thread, shall we?
 
How many citizens would be completely villainized for shooting an insane party with a knife who won't drop it and is has closed to about five feet?

The same liberal nut-jobs will verbally attack citizens OR cops. But only the citizen will face criminal charges.

Police are simply not held to the same standards as the rest of us. It's just a fact of life - look at the case above! What would happen to a civilian? He would have been in jail that very night!

Keith
 
*sigh*

Noting that there are different standards for LEOs and ordinary citizens is not cop-bashing.

Saying that there should not be different standards is also not cop-bashing. It may not be entirely realistic, but it isn't bashing.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?postid=472345#post472345

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=39401

Ordinary citizens usually do get charged in these cases, and are often convicted.

Of course, LEOs have a duty to stop crime, and ordinary citizens don't have that same duty ... right? That's usually the hinge that decides cases like these. Well, that, and the unsavory nature of some of the "good citizens" who pull out a gun and blaze away.

pax
 
pax

Of course, LEOs have a duty to stop crime, and ordinary citizens don't have that same duty ... right? That's usually the hinge that decides cases like these.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell, not much more complex than that.
 
Mr. Morgan, you pretty much proved the double standard by quoting the "fleeing felon" rule. Right or wrong, if a citizen is prohibited from shooting a fleeing felon and an LEO is not, there are two different standards.

At any rate, if more car thieves/car jackers were reformed in this manner, the effect on crime would be noticable.
 
:confused: Did I miss something? I thought SCOTUS had said NO to shooting fleeing felons a couple of decades ago...
 
Having been a Cop now for going on 30 years , this one makes me scratch my head, i don't see from the posted reports how he was cleared on this one. Here where I work and play it would have gone the other way, 1} No threat of injury or death/serious physical harm, it sounds like from those who were there,2} If any threath at all it was leaveing the Officer, hard to call on the cillivans being in harms way , 3} He followed into the street and was firing.Even though a felon at that point ,and it can be argued that he in fact did have a deadly weapon {car}, it just points out that there are alot of standards from coast to coast. Here there is no shooting at moving vehicles except as a last resort to protect ones self or by standers, and must only be done when there is no harm to others in the car or it become a missile on its own.
I am glad I ownly have 3 years left, getting to old for this stuip stuff and this just makes my head hurt:banghead:
 
This cop, bless his heart, has obviously been watching too many hollywood movies. The lead up to rounds being fired and "chasing the vehicle into the street while firing" sounded like it came straight out of a couple movies I've seen over the years.

Did anyone at the scene bother to mark the location of EVERY single bullet discharged from his firearm? I'd be really suprised if every single round went into & stopped inside the vehicle. I'd bet money that at least a couple rounds went somewhere else besides the mustang or perp.

I hope this officer gets bumped down to jailer, or at least rides a desk for the rest of his career. This shooting was completely out of line. Maybe one or two shots would have been justified, but as soon as the car began to pull away, he should have stopped firing and picked up a telephone. He should not have "John Wayned" it in the street shooting at the fleeing suspect.

Face it, this guy was pissed that someone would have the "nerve" to steal a car from a cop. This turned into uncontrollable rage when the perp backed up some. Here's what when through that cops mind: "how dare this SOB steal MY CAR, I'll show that little perp who he's messing with". bang.......bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang...

Obviously, by his actions and current psycological state, he's a liability for any agency which employ's him. Will he be fired? No :banghead: Will he be given a psy eval? Probably not :cuss:. Will he be out pounding the streets again? Most definately :fire:
 
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