Dallas Security Guard uses his SKS in self defense shooting

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Here's the article from the Ft Worth newspaper since the Dallas paper's website requires a log in.

Video was shown on local TV and you can clearly see the SKS on the ground.
Nice that this article clearly describes the weapon, no spin just a "semiautomatic SKS carbine"

Good for the writer. And good for the security guard as well, hope he's OK with what he had to do.

Of course the Brady's will paint it as more "children victims of guns" since one of the miscreants was 17.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/256689.html

Two teens are dead following a botched robbery of a 20-year-old security guard who fought back early Thursday in southwest Dallas, police said.

The dead are Detavias Davis, 17, and Sergio Vann, 19, according to the Dallas County medical examiner's office.

The incident happened 12:30 a.m. outside a Family Dollar store on Redbird Lane, south of Dallas Executive Airport, formerly Red Bird Airport.

The guard, Dedrick Howard, was using a laptop computer in his vehicle when he was approached by three young men, said Sgt. Ray Beaudreault, a homicide detective.

They ordered him out of the vehicle, and one of the robbers, later identified as Vann, had a handgun, Beaudreault said.

But Howard grabbed an semiautomatic SKS carbine and opened fire, killing Vann, Beaudreault said.

Davis, Beaudreault added, tried to flee in.....(cont)
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The knuckleheads at the Dallas Morning News called it an assualt rifle:cuss:

The good news is that a couple more thugs are dead; good riddance.
 
Cue the weeping grandmother and "he was such a good boy" speeches.

Glad the good guy prevailed.

The knuckleheads at the Dallas Morning News called it an assualt rifle
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Considering the circumstances they should be calling it an assault-prevention rifle.
 
Dallas Morning News is now saying it was an "automatic rifle"

Two of the three men got out of their car, pointed a gun at the security guard and told him to get out of his vehicle, Dallas police Sgt. Ray Beaudreault said. The security guard then pulled out an automatic rifle, fatally shooting one of them. The other fled on foot.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/100407dnmetshooting.138951a98.html

God I hate this newspaper. Can't we have something better here?
 
What's the problem? Assault rifle used for defense.
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Problem is the SKS hardly qualifies for the term "assault rifle" even when using the Clinton definition of such a thing.
 
I'm just glad the good guy is ok and the bad guys got what they deserve.

As for the newspaper don't buy it...
 
Is it legal for a security officer in Texas to have a rifle
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Private "security guards" have no legal standing other than private citizens.

Will he be fired for it? Probably. Was it illegal? Nope
 
Gotta watch those eeevil SKS...not only do they reproduce (See SKSBoards) but they bite as well!!
+1 for the Simonov.
 
TexasRifleman said:
Private "security guards" have no legal standing other than private citizens.
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True in regards to powers of arrest. Not true with other things.

For example, assaulting a security officer in Texas is a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Also, CHL is not valid while employeed as a security officer. Only Level III and Level IV officers may carry weapons by law. Level III must carry openly, Level IV may carry concealed. If he wasn't a Level III or IV officer he may be in serious legal trouble for having a weapon while working as a security officer.
 
Hm. I'd be very interested in some detailed information about the distances and penetration and what kind of ammunition this guard was using when he shot his attackers. I say this because my HD gun is an SKS, and overpenetration has always been a concern in a shooting situation. Oh well.
 
If he wasn't a Level III or IV officer he may be in serious legal trouble for having a weapon while working as a security officer.
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Perhaps he was off duty. The story is not clear on that point. It seems unlikely a dollar store would be open at 12;30 am.
 
True in regards to powers of arrest. Not true with other things.

For example, assaulting a security officer in Texas is a felony instead of a misdemeanor.
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There is some distinction between a security GUARD and a security OFFICER IIRC.

As a property owner I can hire just about anyone to watch my property, that would be a guard. If I hire a licensed security firm to watch my property for me that is a Security Officer and they have to do all the licensing, bonding, etc. Going off memory here, I read up on this a few years ago but don't remember much of it.

The article says guard but who knows. This guy was in an unmarked car which is unusual for one of the security firms.
 
ilbob said:
It seems unlikely a dollar store would be open at 12;30 am.
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Contracted lot patrols. Very common. Especially in that part of Dallas.

TexasRifleman said:
As a property owner I can hire just about anyone to watch my property, that would be a guard.
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Any person who accepts payment to protect other peoples property must be licensed by the State of Texas as a security officer and work for a licensed security company.

Of course, you can give your neighbor ten bucks and a case of beer to watch your house while you are on vacation and the state probably won't come after you for such an informal and temporary arrangement.

The car being unmarked is unusual. The state has infact recently required all security vehicles to be marked. I think there was an implementation by date though. I'll have to check.

Anyway, round about back up to post #11. Currently in Texas a Level III and Level IV officer may qualify for pistols and shotguns. There is no qualification for rifles. But, there are agencies with officers carrying rifles. Nuclear power plant security and armored car services both have been known to have them as well as some executive protection outfits. The state knows these outfits are carrying rifles but has not done anything to stop them, apparently giving tacit approval to the process without legally codifying it yet. That still leaves room for an aggressive DA to step in and mess things up though.

The names of the deceased have been released, but not the security officers. When it is, a simple records check will show what level of license he holds and if he was allowed to be armed.

Correction: DPD has now released the security officers name and is stating that he was properly licensed. Looks like a good case for a no bill from the GJ.
 
The police say they assume he'll be no-billed.

Sounded to me like he was off-duty - he was in his vehicle, using a personal computer. At most he was watching the parking lot for break-ins. Not acting as uniformed security.

I suspect 'security' is also at issue here. He's being called a 'security guard' by the 'automatic assault rifle' media - his job definition may well be 'loss prevention' or something like it rather than falling under security statutes.

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Final quote from the Startlegram story:
"But, the detective added, Howard "was licensed and authorized to carry that weapon.""
 
Any person who accepts payment to protect other peoples property must be licensed by the State of Texas as a security officer and work for a licensed security company.
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I stand corrected, very interesting stuff you posted. Thanks!
 
Sounds like he was off duty to me. He probably had the rifle in his POV. He might not have a company car, because he has a semi permantant postition at the store he was working at.

I think it might be different, because the robbery had nothing to do with the store he worked at or anything to do with him performing duties as a security guard. Seems to me that it is just a case of self defense.
 
I think I heard on this afternoon's news that he is a Wal-Mart security guard. And thus his job was unrelated to the shooting/story, but got picked up anyway.

It may not be the fault of the reporters for referring to him that way (just like they refer to anyone's occupation), but they should have clarified.
 
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