Do you care if you "print"?

[Warp]

Just below the notion that open carry doesn't make you #1 on the hit list when a criminal decides to use a gun.

Yup. Totally silly...

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw

Two customers displaying holstered pistols deterred an armed robbery in a Kennesaw Wafflehouse recently.

There is some debate raging in Georgia about whether people should conceal their holstered handguns while in public. Some believe that wearing handguns openly will result in a loss of the element of surprise during a criminal attack, such as an armed robbery, while others believe that wearing handguns openly deters criminal attack. For Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell, who carry openly as a routine, the issue is no longer academic.

Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.

The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered 1911 Springfield Mil-Spec .45 pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.

Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened.

Captain Jerry Quan, the Commander for Precinct One, where the Wafflehouse is located, confirmed Matt Brannan's story as one in which the open display of a pistol deterred a well armed robbery crew.

Matt Brannan is making an Open Records Act request, and there will be an update to this story when more information is available. The case number is 09-133500. There will be updates and follow up articles as more information becomes available.

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[Nushif]

Wafflehouse

I so buy that! A friend of mine once took me there and while the waffles we decent, it looked like a dump.

 

[Warp]

I so buy that! A friend of mine once took me there and while the waffles we decent, it looked like a dump.

There are Waffle Houses EVERYWHERE in the south. Some of them are in not so great areas, as will always be the case when a business has no many locations. They are quite popular, though.

 

[WinThePennant]

I'm starting to wonder if people on THR can read.

Everything I have written always has the preface WHEN THE CRIMINAL DECIDES TO USE A GUN, THE GOOD GUYS OPEN CARRYING ARE TARGET #1.

Armed resistance is a deterrent. But, when they decided to use a gun, then you are target #1.

 

[WinThePennant]

Open carrier attacked by criminal maniac.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1982974.shtml

Diners at a Garcia's restaurant in northwest Albuquerque lost their appetites after a customer attacked another inside the restaurant at lunchtime Sunday.

Police say Christopher Torres walked into the restaurant and saw another customer, John Garcia, sitting at a table eating with his family.

Garcia had a gun on his hip, in a holster. Torres saw this, announced to everyone that he was a DEA agent and said he had video evidence that Garcia was planning to rob the restaurant.

Torres then attacked Garcia, hitting him and trying to get the gun. The gun fell on the floor, a customer grabbed it, and then put it in the manager's office.

Other customers helped restrain Torres until police arrived.

Police say Torres suffers from mental issues. He was arrested and taken to the hospital for treatment. He will now face several felony charges.

Garcia was also arrested because he was not allowed to take his loaded gun into a place that sells alcohol.

 

[Ben86]

I'd still be willing to bet that more often than not it acts as a deterrent. Other than die hard criminals and the occasional lunatic most just want an easy score. It's not universally one way or the other however.

 

[Mike1234567]

I lived for a year in a terrible neigborhood. Oddly, there were no break-ins or thefts... just weirdos and drug dealers. There was one murder due to a sour drug deal. I asked some folks why there's no theft there. They said it's because thieves are afraid to break into homes in that area because too many folks are armed and unafraid to shoot intruders. Those who committed theft went to wealthier neighborhoods in which unarmed citizens "feel safe". I imagine there were "better goodies" in the better neighborhoods too.

 

[Nushif]

I'm starting to wonder if people on THR can read.

Everything I have written always has the preface [...]

Have you considered that just because you write something does not make it true?
I can read that the sky is green all day long, but at the end of the day I can look outside and find a blue sky.
There has been little to no data about how criminals intentionally attack an OCer first. Granted it is kinda hard to measure that, but there is a lot of statements made by criminals that they want an easy store, not an armed person.

We can read. But just because you write it does not make it gospel.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Everything I have written always has the preface WHEN THE CRIMINAL DECIDES TO USE A GUN, THE GOOD GUYS OPEN CARRYING ARE TARGET #1.

Not any more. To wit:

Open carrier attacked by criminal maniac.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1982974.shtml

In that incident, the person who was both breaking the law AND armed was the "victim" who was also arrested. Nobody that had a gun targeted the "victim", unless you count the police officer that arrested him.

Now, yes, if Garcia had been carrying concealed he could have continued to break the law with lesser chance of getting caught.

 

[Warp]

I'd still be willing to bet that more often than not it acts as a deterrent. Other than die hard criminals and the occasional lunatic most just want an easy score.

Yes.

Which is exactly why stories about openly carrying citizens being attacked are extremely rare. I am sure there are some, just as there are stories about people who would have been better off not wearing a seatbelt.

 

[WinThePennant]

Not any more. To wit:



In that incident, the person who was both breaking the law AND armed was the "victim" who was also arrested. Nobody that had a gun targeted the "victim", unless you count the police officer that arrested him.

Now, yes, if Garcia had been carrying concealed he could have continued to break the law with lesser chance of getting caught.

The person open carrying was targeted.

Case closed.

 

[Warp]

The person open carrying was targeted.

Case closed.

Do you always make decisions and reach absolute positions based on outliers?

If I show a case where the person wearing their seatbelt died and would have lived without it will you declare that seatbelts kill and nobody should wear them?

 

[NavyLCDR]

If I show a case where the person wearing their seatbelt died and would have lived without it will you declare that seatbelts kill and nobody should wear them?

I wonder what WinThePennant does to defend against flower pots being thrown by monkeys?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/713151.stm

The person open carrying was targeted.

Case closed.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/19/gun-owner-saves-lives-in-the-richmond-va-golden-market-shooting/

The score is 2 to 1. You lose. Someone wants their pennant back.

 

[WinThePennant]

 

[Danb1215]

Meh, I/we challenged him to cite a case of someone being targeted for OC. It appears that this was the case in the article he linked. Granted I'll never agree with the idea that OC is a threat to the person carrying, but he found a relevant case and for that I give credit.

And for the guy carrying that got arrested, I don't personal consider someone who breaks an unconstitutional law to be a criminal. The real criminals are the ones who write 'em.

 

[herkyguy]

If open carry were an option then I probably would in certain settings and CCW in more congested urban places. just my opinion. But if restricted to CCW, then I'll do my best to conceal it and uphold the spirit of the law.

 

[Ben86]

If open carry were an option then I probably would in certain settings and CCW in more congested urban places.

Same here. I live in a rural area. If I go to the local gas station or Dollar General I open carry. Nobody bats and eyelash. It's part of the culture.

However, if I visit a nearby city I make sure to cover up. I don't want to scare the sensitive "townies." I know someone would get scared and call the cops on me eventually, however irrational their reasoning.

A faster draw is another benefit to open carry I hadn't considered. (gleaned from the ammoland article)