Do you OC or CC and why

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Warp said:
Must be an Ohio thing.
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I guess. :)

Open carry is perfectly legal in Ohio. Every now and then several groups will gather to make a point and exercise their rights but from where I am sitting it just doesn't make much sense to do so. I also don't like calling attention to myself.

This open vs. Concealed thing is really going to depend on each individual and where they are located. What works for some may not work well for others. It can be debated to no end as it has been countless times.

Ron
 
I Open carry as it is leagle to do so here!
I feel that if we don't exercise a right we WILL lose it! That's why we have so many 'Man with gun calls '! As the citizens don't know the law, most over react to the situation which results in illegal TERRY stops &MWG calls that endanger peaceful law abiding citizens & the Police that respond to them! I get way more people who when they find out they can Open carry, state they will start doing so! OPEN CARRY ALL THE WAY! ;)
 
krupparms said:
I Open carry as it is leagle to do so here!
I feel that if we don't exercise a right we WILL lose it! That's why we have so many 'Man with gun calls '! As the citizens don't know the law, most over react to the situation which results in illegal TERRY stops &MWG calls that endanger peaceful law abiding citizens & the Police that respond to them! I get way more people who when they find out they can Open carry, state they will start doing so! OPEN CARRY ALL THE WAY! ;)
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Legal. ;)

Who has so many MWG calls?
 
cc because what people don't know won't raise eyebrows. i will be carrying my xds more often now (with extra mag) than my seecamp.
 
Right now I OC as it is to damn hot and humid to CC. I live out in the sticks, so no problem there. As for going into town, nobody has commented.
When cooler weather arrives, definately CC.
 
herrwalther said:
Open Carry is legal in the state of Alabama, however I can think of only one instance where I saw anyone OC and ironically enough it was at a OC event at a local gun store. Most weapons were unloaded of course.

This is why I don't OC, as Woody Harelson says "Don't shoot me with my own gun!"
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/l...cle_5971f160-05d5-11e3-b11c-0019bb30f31a.html
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Just curious...do you realize how extraordinarily rare that is?

Like, as in, I think that's the only case we even know of?
 
Warp said:
Just curious...do you realize how extraordinarily rare that is?

Like, as in, I think that's the only case we even know of
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Do you know how rare it is for someone to even need their firearm? There are plenty of us here who have been carrying for years and, luckily, never needed their firearms in a self or home defense situation. The CDC tells us that about 2 million times a year, a legal firearm is used by a legal person for self or home defense, outside law enforcement use. The very fact we carry is a sign we accept the rarity of the situation we carry for. Why carry at all? Seeing how RARE it is? Your own weapon used against you is the rarest of the rare, the real question is, why chance it by carrying your weapon so all can see?

Tactically I see no benefit to open carry. And all the stats and surveys supports this. There is only one real benefit to OC: easier to find holsters since OC carry does not place any value on concealment and less on comfort.
 
Just curious...do you realize how extraordinarily rare that is?
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All it will take is one single news story about a guy who was in a gunfight with terrorists, almost out of ammo, and finds a partially buried spam can of ammo and dies because he can't get it open. Then all the tactical gurus will declare their intent to carry a metal detector and can-opener just in case they find themselves in that situation.

Yes, it's hyperbole but prioritizing outliers, rare, and unlikely scenarios when developing your personal safety plan seems to be the status quo with some.
 
herrwalther said:
Do you know how rare it is for someone to even need their firearm? There are plenty of us here who have been carrying for years and, luckily, never needed their firearms in a self or home defense situation. The CDC tells us that about 2 million times a year, a legal firearm is used by a legal person for self or home defense, outside law enforcement use.
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...you are comparing something that seems to have happened once, ever (modern times) with something that happens millions of times per year?

Think about that for a second.

herrwalther said:
The very fact we carry is a sign we accept the rarity of the situation we carry for.
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...one time vs 2 million a year. Seems to me those odds are about as far apart as you can get.


herrwalther said:
Why carry at all? Seeing how RARE it is?
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2,000,000 is a MUCH MUCH larger number than 1.


herrwalther said:
Your own weapon used against you is the rarest of the rare, the real question is, why chance it by carrying your weapon so all can see?
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Deterrence.

I'd rather have nothing at all happen than have to use the element of surprise to draw my concealed firearm after I have already been attacked or selected for attack.

herrwalther said:
Tactically I see no benefit to open carry. And all the stats and surveys supports this. There is only one real benefit to OC: easier to find holsters since OC carry does not place any value on concealment and less on comfort.
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You can choose to ignore the existence of deterrence if you want.

You can even choose to think that deterrence is less likely than being made a target.

But I certainly choose to see the above numbers differently.
 
I tell my wife and my daughter all the time, on all sorts of topics, (they get sick of it) I don't care what decision they make, as long as it is an informed decision.
 
herrwalther said:
Tactically I see no benefit to open carry. And all the stats and surveys supports this. There is only one real benefit to OC: easier to find holsters since OC carry does not place any value on concealment and less on comfort.
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Really? Would you care to post the stats and surveys to support your statement? I would love to see them.

Let's see....
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.2/gun-facts-6-2-screen.pdf

Printed page 29:
Fact: 60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
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So, your statement that, "Tactically I see no benefit to open carry. And all the stats and surveys supports this." is purely a conjecture on your part which facts prove to be erroneous, no?

In the real world, if the criminal is 20% more likely to leave me alone because they KNOW I am armed, rather than having to guess, why would I not play those odds? My primary goal isn't to be able to defend myself against an attack, my primary goal is to keep that attack from ever beginning in the first place.
 
In the real world, if the criminal is 20% more likely to leave me alone because they KNOW I am armed, rather than having to guess, why would I not play those odds? My primary goal isn't to be able to defend myself against an attack, my primary goal is to keep that attack from ever beginning in the first place.
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I agree with you. But that rare criminal who is not deterred but instead targets you even tho' he knows you are armed (or perhaps because of it) is not someone you want to mess with.
 
Just curious...do you realize how extraordinarily rare that is?

Like, as in, I think that's the only case we even know of?
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Not that it makes any huge difference in the odds, but I know of at least one other case where a non-LEO was attacked and his openly carried gun stolen.

Part of the reason it's so rare is that OC among non-LEOs is pretty rare. But again, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it can't happen. If OC were to become a lot more popular, it would be reasonable for such incidents to increase at a level commensurate with the rate of OC.
My primary goal isn't to be able to defend myself against an attack, my primary goal is to keep that attack from ever beginning in the first place.
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Sure, that's what we all want. But OC doesn't insure that you won't be attacked. Gun store robberies, OC gun grabs and attacks on LEOs prove that beyond a shadow of doubt. It very likely makes it a good deal less probable but it certainly doesn't rule it out.

Given that is the case, it makes sense to consider how OC changes your tactical situation if you are actually attacked.
 
I conceal carry unless I am going to the range, in which case I'm generally open carrying.

I generally don't open carry for the sole reason of not wanting to deal with noisy people or police.
 
Torian said:
I do not open carry, for three reasons.

1. I do not want to advertise my ace card to any criminal that may be profiling me.
2. I do not want the general public to know I'm a gun owner (I've been burglarized in the past)
3. I do not want to be targeted by some over-zealous trigger-happy LEO who doesn't know the law when it comes to OC.

I feel comfortable around other people who OC, I'm just not a fan of doing it myself. I live in AZ, so seeing people OC is a daily occurrence.
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Largely this.
1. I'd rather a criminal find out about my gun at a time convenient to me, not him.
2. I don't advertise gun ownership either.
3. This, plus frightening the horses argument.

Others can do as they wish, and I'm not bothered by other's OC in the least, but concealed means concealed for me. it's not peacock feathers, it's a counter-ambush tool.
JMO. OMMV, natch.

Here's a related question for those on the OC side of the fence: what level retention are you running, and what retention training do you all have to backstop the rig? I'm seriously asking--there's a fair number of OC proponents here that can respond to that question.

Thanks in advance for the input.
 
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Yeah, I didn't state it quite right -- one who targets you because you are armed, not "perhaps because", and now it should be obvious. I also think that's pretty rare but can't quantify it.
 
I used to OC, until I got my CPL. I will still OC occasionally, but that's usually when I'm out in the woods, not in the general public. I'll also OC a long gun over my shoulder on my own property.

I suppose there are benefits and drawbacks to both styles of carry, but at this point, I prefer not to advertise the fact that I have a gun.
 
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