Don't you think Open Carry is safer than CC?

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Regardless your picture is a good example of how it is not always easy to spot OC depending on the gun, holster, type of clothing, etc.

I have a good friend who is a detective. He isn't undercover. He is required to wear a tucked in polo and khaki type pants (usually 5.11 tactical stuff). Even with a g19, a discreet cuff holster and a big, shiny badge on his belt...a large percentage of people just don't notice. People pay attention way less than we give them credit for...especially people committing crimes of opportunity.

On the other hand...I have been at the gas pumps in a polo and khakis OCing after an after-work range visit and a lady lead off with "Excuse me, officer..." when asking for directions. :/
 
TexasGunbie said:
Actually I appreciate you posting a picture. I think you dressed properly and presented a good image of gun ownership.

On the flip side, what if someone with less sense decides to go open carry in their gold chains and thug bandanna, and their low hanging pants? and just slip the gun down their 12 o'clock position? that would be a horrific image for our country.

There's no open carry here in Texas, but for those of you that live in a state where this is allowed, are most people doing it with proper manner?

Most people in everyday life who open carry everyday find that about 95% of the population notices, or if they do notice, don't care. There a few who are more flashy than I would care to be.

There are bad representatives of every group of people, though. There are concealed carriers who want to wear badges. There are bad representatives of the Brady Bunch and anti-s. I don't think any side can point to the bad representatives and judge the entire community based on their actions.
 
Posted by Vector: If you are standing in line and the bad guys sees a firearm on your side, he is not going to ignore it/you and go about his business, he is going to shoot or disarm you then proceed.
Or...turn around and leave, and either go somewhere else or come back later.

I suggest that most armed robbers or armed muggers don't really want to shoot anyone. Their weapon serves as a means of making a credible threat.

I believe that there are only a few kinds of circumstances in which a person carrying openly is less safe than someone else: (1) when the robbery or other armed criminal action has already been initiated and the presence of the armed citizen puts the safety of the perps at risk; (2) when the perps are too desperate to be deterred (e. g., if the need for immediate money or other booty is dire, or the perps are under drug influence); or (3) if the perps really want the gun and sense a good possibility of getting it.

Otherwise, if they see the gun, I should think they would be dissuaded from attmpting anything at that time and place.

On the other hand, if they don't notice the gun until after they announce their intentions, the poor guy with the gun on his hip just might end up wishing that he had been carrying concealed.

In the large city near where I live, (3) above would probably pose the highest risk of the three mentioned. I think, but cannot prove, that it might even outweigh the deterrent value. I'm told that autos parked on the street will be broken into just to get a few visible coins or a charger with no device attached. No risk, but no real gain, either. Raise the ante to a high capacity handgun--something that not only could be fenced, but also useful as a tool for further wrong-doing--and the threshold for an acceptable risk level goes up quite a bit.

Move the scene out of an inner city with one of the worst violent crime rates in the country and the balance should shift markedly.

Now, none of my neighbors would agree with me on this, but go somewhere where open carry is very common, and I suggest that everyone would be a lot safer--a polite society, if you will. I don't know about others, but if I were considering a violent crime or even a minor theft, I would choose somewhere else entirely. But even though we have had shall issue CCW permits here for some years, a lot of people around here still say that concealed carry will make things like "the wild west", and they believe it.
 
If open carry is a "shoot me" sign why do so many pawn brokers and gun dealers carry openly at work (were it's legal to do so)?

Over 30 states have provisions for some sort of open carry. I suspect 2 things... in places were it's not prudent (metro areas) most folks just don't do it.. and in rural places were it's practical ...no one bats an eye.

We tried to get open carry for ccw holders in OK last year... it was vetoed and narrowly missed an override vote when the bill kicked back to the state house.

I eat at my small town diner everyday... at least 6 folks are in there with a pistol under their shirt. If a armed robber walked in and saw six hog legs in the open he'd find another place to rob-- or just sit for a cup of coffee and mind his business.

In my case... I still spend a lot of time on horseback and have pasture on both sides of my county road. I risk my CCW when I carry an SAA openly on horseback as soon as we step into the road. In our county the deputies are pretty cool about that... in Oklahoma or Tulsa county I'd get a beat-down over the same thing.
 
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There was a guy on one of the forums who was(is) a prison guard. He said he asked his hard-core inmates if they would try to rob an open carrier for their gun. It was a unanimous NO. They reasoned it was far safer to just buy one for $50 on the corner than go against someone armed. That makes a lot more sense than to believe the bad guys are looking for a gunfight.

A bit of BS. Street pricing for anything decent is as much or more than normal legal street pricing. I carried "open" for years working on the street. Every incident requires a constant attention to the firearm. As I had a security holster, removal by the uninformed was more difficult that most cc type holsters, many with no retention device at all. In a physical or verbal confrontation, security of the handgun is required for protection.

You call BS but don't give any reasoning or evidence? How does the fact that you carried openly gives you insight into how much illegal items on the street cost?

I once ran into a "hood" who was trying to get rid of a handgun for something like $20. I did not seek to get more information but I surmized it was stolen or evidence in a crime and he was trying to get rid of it.
 
Posted by Jefpainthorse: I eat at my small town diner everyday... at least 6 folks are in there with a pistol under their shirt. If a armed robber walked in and saw six hog legs in the open he'd find another place to rob-- or just sit for a cup of coffee and mind his business.
Sounds a lot like something Elmer Keith said about his home town in Idaho when commenting on a mass shooting at a MacDonalds.

Now, if concealed carry were widely known to be very prevalent in a particular town, that would serve as a deterrent, too.
 
"Sounds a lot like something Elmer Keith said about his home town in Idaho when commenting on a mass shooting at a MacDonalds.

Now, if concealed carry were widely known to be very prevalent in a particular town, that would serve as a deterrent, too. "

If you get everyone to stand still for a count... about 3 million folks live in the State Of Oklahoma. We are just shy of having 100,000 CCW holders.
After you throw out the kids and lost socialists who migrate here from the East and California to raise organic goats and make pottery....we have a good ratio of legally armed folks.

Someone still screws up and gets shot pulling a "home invasion" or armed robbery . I guess you can't fix stupid.
 
I just googled the question of illegal gun costs. It would appear from a cursory read that they are worth more on the street not less. A lot more, in some 2 to 3 times more.

I would open carry in a relatively safe area to protect myself from a random act of violence but not in the 'hood'.

In my neighborhood people would laugh and jokingly ask if it was Halloween or if I was playing Sheriff. No one around here would take you seriously. You'd be taken more seriously carrying a large fire extinguisher on your back.

Gun violence? Guns are a sporting implement in my part of the world. Sorry it isn't so everywhere.
 
So generally we get better accuracy from a larger handgun, wouldn't that make open carry safer than conceal carry?
From a technical standpoint, yes.
But I prefer if no one knows I am armed.
 
I just googled the question of illegal gun costs. It would appear from a cursory read that they are worth more on the street not less. A lot more, in some 2 to 3 times more.

I would open carry in a relatively safe area to protect myself from a random act of violence but not in the 'hood'.

In my neighborhood people would laugh and jokingly ask if it was Halloween or if I was playing Sheriff. No one around here would take you seriously. You'd be taken more seriously carrying a large fire extinguisher on your back.

Gun violence? Guns are a sporting implement in my part of the world. Sorry it isn't so everywhere.

google isnt a renouned source of accurate information i have seen first hand "trunk" gun sales and was offered a smith and wesson 357 686 for $30 and NO I DID NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER

street guns are different from private sales and ill bet dollars to donuts the information recieved was for private sales disguised as "street sales" for anti gun purposes

there was a gentleman (and i use that term as loosly as i can) in the upper part of my state that would... how should i say this... aquire any firearm you wanted for the low low prices of $25-$200 and he was adiment about the term ANY
needless to say he was caught for gun trafficing and stolen goods but these street dealers do exist
really why charge more for a gun they stole when they just want to get rid of it for there next crack fix anyway?

as i posted above i was in "the hood" delivering pizzas and i openly carried the only thing that stopped me was customers who didnt appreciate me showing up with a firearm but i dont care about strange looks

look as hard as you can at me all you wish but attempt to do me harm and see how funny your jokes and looks will become

im very happy that you live in a sporting arm only part of the world and that officers in your area have a reaction time of nano-seconds some of us are not fortunate enough to call 911 so we call 1911 instead
 
fortyluv said:
Open carry is for show offs. Foolish show offs.

Concealed carry is for people who hope to shoot people, murderers really. They hope to surprise someone so they can kill them. They like to shoot kids. Bank robbers always carry concealed to surprise the tellers, so concealed carry folks are all bank robbers.

It’s just as stupid the other way around.
 
Open carry is for show offs. Foolish show offs.

Why don't you elaborate more?

A car can be a show off or the most practical item ever...
Jewelery can be show off but also hold symbolic meanings...
So why is open carry a pure foolish show off??
 
If nothing its a deterrent(criminals want non resistance and will bail if theres potential resistance) and its faster to produce a weapon if its needed

I support CC and OC, and would prefer we lose permit requirements as its supposed to be a right
 
Open carry is for show offs. Foolish show offs.

Owning guns is for show offs. Foolish show offs. :scrutiny:


See how quick one can make that jump?

If you don't like open carry then post your well thought out and applicable reasons.

This kind of thing is not appropriate here.
 
If I was a thief I would love open carry, you can pick what gun you want to steal and the gun is worth more money than the gas station will have. You will become a target, if the thief needs a gun you have one. Just like that kung-fuey- crap when some one shows the proper stance you shot him, a fool would fight him. You show your hand and the BG WILL win.
 
If I was a thief I would love open carry, you can pick what gun you want to steal and the gun is worth more money than the gas station will have. You will become a target, if the thief needs a gun you have one.

Yeah, because thieves target police officers left & right to steal their sidearms...
 
Yeah, because thieves target police officers left & right to steal their sidearms...

They don't need to because there are plenty of unattended firearms for them to steal out of their cars! I've read of more firearms being stolen out of police cars than off of officers' belts. And the same is true of open carry. It's soooo much easier and more convenient for a BG to obtain an unattended firearm or buy one, there is no need for them to fight the carrier for one - as evidence by the fact that it's never been reported to happen.
 
Show off? Interesting question, I'm not sure its showing off but I don't like drawing attention to myself when I'm out walking around. If I'm honest with myself if open carry was really common I'd be more likely to do it. I'm not going to say that any given person carries to show off, I think its foolish to say that no one does it for that reason though. A desire to remain low key certainly figures highly in why I don't and choose to CCW.
 
some people bring a bigger size gun to their CCW exam, but when they carry, they will carry a smaller gun.

Somewhat like the new riders I witnessed at the bike shop. come in and buy a 700 pound bike, then take the MC endorsement on a scooter. I follow the train with what I carry thoery.
 
You show your hand and the BG WILL win.

That is not true. There are documented self defense cases where an open carrier defended themselves. Here's one:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=464346&highlight=trigger+broke+defense

If I was a thief I would love open carry...You will become a target, if the thief needs a gun you have one.

I once thought along the same lines. But no more. I don't see that as being true. Most violent crimes are crimes of opportunity. The bad guy may not notice you have a weapon, or he may notice and move on to an easier target. Why rob a guy with a gun when you can rob a little old lady with a purse? Also, i was surprised at the number of people who don't notice you are carrying if you carry something sized like a glock 19 or a 1911 in a holster that hugs against you. As I stated in an earlier post, I have an leo buddy who wears a g19 and a badge on his belt with a polo shirt tucked into khakis...and for the most part, he says people don't even notice him as an leo even though he isn't attempting to be undercover at all.

Thieves just don't think like us. If they did, they wouldn't be a thief. They are more apt to go about their business and not even notice your sidearm, or simply see it...suspect you may be a cop and move on to the next target.

If you do OC, you should definitely up your situational awareness. I'm not saying that you become a target per say, but it's better to be prepared...which is the whole point of carrying to begin with. I just don't see any compelling evidence that OC'ing makes you a target.
 
One thing that I notice while I'm enjoying myself reading this stuff is that people are not thinking the way that they think about HD. In HD everyone says be prepared for anything that may happen and train for it. Not on this thread the people that are for OC want to ignore all possibilities other than their narrow minded ideas. You are a target and that is not what you want to be. I do agree that if OC is legal you will be safer with CC being legal. That may protect you OC folks.
 
How does the fact that you carried openly gives you insight into how much illegal items on the street cost?

Probably the fact that I had the ability to interview enough of the mopes that bought them in that manner and having some of my officers on a countrywide task force in one of the countries highest crime rate area. The "$50 street buy" doesn't exist for the most part. Supply and demand works even in the criminal world.
 
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