Garage sale psycho today...

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SgtRage

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I was having a garage sale this morning. One of the things I was selling happened to be a chef's knife, about a 8" blade. Guy pulls up in a van, looks kind of disheveled. As he's browsing, he spots the knife and falls in love with it on the spot. He picks it up and asks me if I'll give it to him for free, because he doesn't have any money. He's looping it in the air a bit, about 3 feet from me, looking like he's seriously considering sinking it into me. Fortunately at this point, another customer pulls up, he takes no for an answer and leaves.

As soon as the other customer leaves, I head into the house and put on my belt slide holster and 1911, then head back out to the sale. Please note, all my neighbors know I carry openly sometimes and seem to have no problems with it, as do probably 90% of the police on our city PD. Sure enough, about 15-20 minutes later, he comes back. He hops out of the van, shaking a bottle of pills in his hand and asking if I'll trade the knife for some Loritabs or Xanax. I tell him calmly but firmly that I'm not going to sell him anything and he needs to leave. All this time I've been turned so that he can't see my sidearm. He continues coming toward me muttering something, and I turn so that he can see my sidearm. Not in a menacing way, just leaning against the car, but letting him know I have it on me, hand not even near it.

He stomps back to his van, and starts yelling something about how I'm discriminating against him because of race, and that he's going to sue me. I whip out my cell with my left hand and reply, "Ok, let's see what the cops have to say about that" He burns rubber, and at that time I notice the 3 bullet holes in the rear window of his van. These are NOT the decals that look like bullet holes. As I'm about to call the cops, a black&white driven by a cop I know pulls into the parking lot next door. I stow my sidearm in my car, walk over and tell him about it, and he takes off after the nutjob. Haven't heard anything, that was about 11 hours ago.

My reasons for posting this are; 1. Can anyone think of any way I could have handled this better? and 2. A reminder to folks that you never know what you're going to run into, even in your own yard.

And yes, the knife is going back in the kitchen.
 
Had one less dangerous and more humorous earlier too, kid who couldn't have been more than 13-14 yrs old got mad because I wouldn't sell him a machete and started cursing me. I pulled the cleaning rod out of a Mauser I had in the sale, looked at it, looked at him, said "You know, I'll bet this would make a damn fine switch..."

He suddenly remembered urgent business elsewhere.
 
The only thing I would have done different was to have already been armed. Other that that it sounds like you kept your cool.
 
People often legally open carry on their own property because:
1. Access to the firearm is easier
2. Open carry is more comfortable
3. The presence of a firearm is a deterrent.

What could you have done better?

If you had a CCW permit, you could have had your firearm legally concealed and been protected the first time.

You could have written down the guy's license plate number and given a good description of the van.

You could have had a partner helping at your garage sale. This helps prevent theft as well as threats.

You could have raised the Louisville bridge, swung out the Endom bridge, and spilled some chicken fat on I-20 the morning of your garage sale. ;)

Not having been there, it is difficult to Monday morning quarterback you, but if the guy had wanted to sink the knife into the first time, he would have done it. If you do not know about the Tueller Drill , read up on it at the link I provided. If he was waving the knife three feet away from you, he could have killed you with it and you could not have stopped him.
 
:rolleyes:Donate the stuff to Good Will and skip the garage sales.

I think you did fine. You could have involved the authorities after the first interaction. I'm all about live and let live, but when the odd-balls want to play with knives in your reality bubble nothing says you should suffer that.
 
Could have concealed it at his own garage sale, which is presumably on his own property, regardless of permit in most states. He chose not to do so. I disagree that we can be sure the sight of the weapon was not a deterrent. The guy didn't try anything violent, but we don't know he ever planned to do so, so that part is going to remain unknown (unless people start disappearing from garage sales in your area.)
 
I avoid having tag sales. On rare occasions my wife's insistence has overcome my resistance. I'd rather donate the stuff to Goodwill or Salvation Army and not have to deal with annoying people.

When I have had tag sales I've always carried (concealed)--just in case.
 
Salvation Army

I decided against garage sales when I figured that I could donate the stuff to the Salvation Army and get a deduction from my taxes worth more (in reduced taxes) than the cash I would make from the garage sale.

If you itemize, a garage sale is a waste of your time. Clothes have the biggest difference between what you get at a garage sale and what you get in tax relief. Just document what you give and get a receipt.

Also, the IRS might have its own JBTs and kangaroo courts, but I bet they don't hire unstable druggie knife-wavers with bullet-hole-ridden vans.

IMO, Salvation Army is the way to donate. They will take and make use of nearly anything and have one of the lowest overheads of any charity.
 
Uh . . . . well, OK, but to be fair, yard sales are a way of life around here and I've never encountered any knife-waving pill-fiends in 20-some-odd years of attending them. I'd say that's pretty rare.

We do give clothes to Good Will, but I like garage sales.
 
I used to hold two garage sales a year, when I lived in Phoenix. My record was $1750.00 in 1.5 days. The rule was: Everyone working the garage sale open carries.

Why?

Prevents bad thoughts and promotes polite behavior.

In AZ--even Phoenix--3 or 4 armed people running a garage sale doesn't even raise a comment. Not sure I'd try the same thing in Seattle.
 
even Phoenix--3 or 4 armed people running a garage sale doesn't even raise a comment.

Problem with that is that the criminal types know that guns are probably in the house, to be stolen at some later date, when no one is home.
 
Garage sales are a no-go for me also. Some thieves use them to shop. They ask "why are you selling the TV?" What do you say "I got a new plasma wide screen..." see what I mean. All this for at most a couple of hundred bucks. Not worth it. Now I am not above buying things at yard sales...
 
Problem with that is that the criminal types know that guns are probably in the house, to be stolen at some later date, when no one is home.

So, we should all hide our ownership of guns from people like gays used to do with their homosexuality?

I strongly disagree with this 'they'll know you've got guns and come steal them later' line of reasoning. They don't have that problem in Kennesaw, GA and I don't know of any of my friends who've had that problem either.

In fact, I can't think of any police officers who've had that problem at their homes either.

John
 
when I want to sell off old junk I prefer to go to the swapmeet, and try to go with buddys who are offloading stuff too.

that way the nutjobs dont have to know where I live, and if anyone gets violent well... my peeps might have something to say about it, along with Mr. Tire iron
 
My reasons for posting this are; 1. Can anyone think of any way I could have handled this better?

You could've been wearing your firearm before the first infraction. The Crazy could've stuck you right then and there, and that'd have been the end of you.

Also, yard sales are, at least for me, only for times prior to a move. I'm not about to air my laundry, so to speak, or anything of remote value on the off chance that someone gets a bad idea...
 
I'm amazed no one has said this already. About a year ago I was selling several knives and some ammo for a weapon I no longer had. What I did was place pictures on the table with a price listed and stated that the potential buyer must ask to see them. I was able to sell them both, and I didn't run the risk of providing a weapon to a potential BG.
 
oobray,
great idea, that or a locked case or some sort...any way of making the potential BG not have quick access.
 
I am glad to hear you are alright. It had to have been unnerving. For future reference, when I sell such dangerous items in my garage sale, I post a color digital picture. Under the picture, I have a sign that says, "Request to view this object".

You could have said to him, "You know, the police have a street-drug, buy-back program. Let's have them come over and you can offer those to the police."

Doc2005
 
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What makes any of you say that the presence of the weapon did NOT act as a detterant? He kept turned so it wasn't visible and as soon as he turned back so the guy could see it, the guy got back in his van. Either some of you can't read, or have such a blind following to keeping concealed that you see things that arent there.
 
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