We beat this horse so many times I know, but I will ask your comments and opinions about a specific claim..
An Alaskan old fisherman was involved in a discussion with others about the venerable "thutty-thutty" capabilities...I witnessed similar situations over and over we already discussed this in the past...
Many said that you reasonably need a 375 or bigger in case of an "involontary" date with a Grizzly....
The old fisherman said no way....he claims that people substitute power with lack of shooting skills and wounding a charging Grizzly with a 458 will not do you any good....he said that the 30 WCF with proper bullets is all you need, he rather have a handy lever action rifle (fast repeated shots if you get the chance) than a slow bolt action.....he admit the 45-70 pack way more punch but he think is wasted energy and hard on your shoulder....he carries an old Winchester 94 in the woods...
If you run the numbers, he claims that the 30-30 has still more muzzle energy than a 454 Casull (considerate an adequate bear defense gun), better sectional density (better penetration) and better retained energy downrange..
Then, and here things got interesting, he made a specific claim.
Accordingly to him, few years ago they shot in self defense a big coastal grizzly with a 30-30 with partition bullets and one of the shot engaged the skull frontally (lenghtwise) and penetrated all the way just short of exiting the body!!! So a 30-30 round was able to travel lenghtwise into the grizzly and almost exiting...shooting distance under 30 yards....
What do you think?? Is credible/possible??
An Alaskan old fisherman was involved in a discussion with others about the venerable "thutty-thutty" capabilities...I witnessed similar situations over and over we already discussed this in the past...
Many said that you reasonably need a 375 or bigger in case of an "involontary" date with a Grizzly....
The old fisherman said no way....he claims that people substitute power with lack of shooting skills and wounding a charging Grizzly with a 458 will not do you any good....he said that the 30 WCF with proper bullets is all you need, he rather have a handy lever action rifle (fast repeated shots if you get the chance) than a slow bolt action.....he admit the 45-70 pack way more punch but he think is wasted energy and hard on your shoulder....he carries an old Winchester 94 in the woods...
If you run the numbers, he claims that the 30-30 has still more muzzle energy than a 454 Casull (considerate an adequate bear defense gun), better sectional density (better penetration) and better retained energy downrange..
Then, and here things got interesting, he made a specific claim.
Accordingly to him, few years ago they shot in self defense a big coastal grizzly with a 30-30 with partition bullets and one of the shot engaged the skull frontally (lenghtwise) and penetrated all the way just short of exiting the body!!! So a 30-30 round was able to travel lenghtwise into the grizzly and almost exiting...shooting distance under 30 yards....
What do you think?? Is credible/possible??
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