Help responding to my 9 year old's teacher...

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Why does this story remind me of the child who got suspended a while back for having a "Glock" inkpen at school?

Hell, I would just be glad that the child actually brought a writing instrument to class.

I'd already bought over 200 pencils in the last semester as "loaners" that I never saw again.


-- John
 
Firstly I'm in the LA area, so being from "the city" has cast a dark shroud over the interest that we all share here on this board.

It was eight grade and my english teacher gave us a color poem assignment, I picked black. In my poem which my teacher actually commended, I mentioned death, nothingness, a "cold gun", the beautiful sky and the depths of the ocean; I guess I used irony well or something :rolleyes:

After she approved our poems we were asked to make a visual aid which involved a big poster board and pretty much sticking pictures and making drawings as an example of our poem, I was 15 and feeling very tacticool considering The Matrix was brand new at the time; I doused the thing with guns. There was Beretta 92fs and a Desert Eagle kissing muzzles in the center, an AR-variant of some sort on the bottom and everything else I mentioned in the poem all with huge bold letters spelling out "BLACK" in the background.

When the teacher was walking around doing that teacher inspection thing, she told me quitely "You know, you should take those guns off." I asked her why and she said something like "It's violent" or inappropriate or illegal or something. I told her that they were all legal to own and that cops use them so howcome and she just repeated herself.

Long story short, I exercised my rights and kept my project as is, received an A along with a verbal reprimand. :neener:
 
Talking to teachers can yield results,

I was hired by the third grade teachers at local elementary school in this area to record their classes singing some songs. Not an unusual request so I go and set up my gear, the entire 3rd grade file into the auditorium we were recording in, they start the backing music and away we go. One of the songs they sing is called 'The Bill of Rights'. It's about... (wait for it)... the ten amendments! At least that was what the opening lines of the song claimed.
I listen to the song... 'LaLaLaLa'... "right to peaceably assemble"... 'LaLaLaLa'..... "right to seek for our redress"..... (they weren't referenced in any particular order). I was able to place 9 of the 10 Amendments as I listen, but as the song came to a close, I had heard nothing about 2A. When we were done recording I asked one of the teachers,

"so there are now only nine amendments in the bill of rights?" I asked this with a big grin being a little sarcastic. :scrutiny:

"oh no" I was assured, "they sing about all ten".

"I didn't hear anything about keep and bear arms.... did I miss it?"

She pulled out the music to show me where, and low and behold......... nothing about it. According to this little tonal primer designed to help budding young minds learn about the bill of rights... RKBA is NOT something worth mentioning.
:what:
:banghead:

In asking I did do some good, I later learned. They still use that song, but I have been told that many of the teachers now ask after the kids are taught the song, "who can tell me what right the composer forget?" and then inform the students about the second amendment. (or at least will till some new 'enlightened' teacher throws a stink! :barf: )

Sometimes saying something does do some good.
 
Why does this story remind me of the child who got suspended a while back for having a "Glock" inkpen at school?

Hell, I would just be glad that the child actually brought a writing instrument to class.

I'd already bought over 200 pencils in the last semester as "loaners" that I never saw again.
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For my loaner pencils I require that the students either give me one of their shoes or their cell phone. I make sure I get my "loaners" back...if they choose not to take my offer they can either borrow one from a friend or they can take a zero. They take my offer pretty much 95% of the time.

NH1
 
Oh how times have changed

You could say that your son was performing an ink blot test on the teacher to bring out her repressed desires. :) Personally, I find it baffling. I used to check out gun books and magazines from the school library. Do they have any such material? If so, yoou could point that out. I think unless the kid is clearly drawing something threatening or overtly violent, the teacher has no business taking action, unless the assignment was to draw a bunny rabbit.

I tell my kids I will back them up if any of that nonsense comes down from the teacher. I would tell her, matter of factly, that your son and you and his mom believe he has a right to draw whatever he wants and that is that. No need to say you carry or keep guns at home-why give them any ammunition (pardon the pun) Tell them his actions did not violate any policies etc. and that you want the dicipline and censorship to stop at once or you will take legal action.

Shooter429
 
My son was a sophomore in High School the year of the Coumbine shootings. He was at war with one of his teachers, I had heard many stories from him about how stupid and obnoxious she was. I instructed him to figure out how to keep his head down and just get along until the end of the year. As we all know there are many stupid and obnoxious people in authority in life and ya gots to learn to get along with them.

So one day a couple of weeks post Columbine he had completed the classroom assignment and was filling the empty class time doodling with a pencil. I eventually saw it in the principles office. It was like hundreds of doodles I've seen and drawn. He drew a tank shooting at his High School and a little stick figure firing the commander's machine gun. It was nothing special to him and he crumpled it up and threw it in the trash on the way out of class. The teacher retrieved it, took it to the office and reported him as potentially violent.

The cops were called and he was summoned to the office and questioned. Neither of his parents were called, no note was sent home to inform us.

I was angry and spent almost an hour with the vice-principle politely expressing my objections. He wasn't disciplined or punished. We talked about the unfairness of life and proper expression of outrage. He's grown up just fine.

Anyone else here draw shooting/war doodles when you were in school?

AL
 
Y'all would have been pleased to watch the tournament at my local gun club this morning:

semi-finalists from the Boy Scouts, the 4H, and from Hunter Safety groups were competing in

* 22 LR
* shotgun
* archery (at a fake deer!)
* map-following (or something like that)

I saw kids who looked all the way from 10 through about 16 doing several different stances and competitions, handling 22's with good safety skills.

Amazing.
Hooray for the Boy Scouts!

gordon
 
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Originally Posted by AKElroy
Most people reading your posts would disagree.

Well, it's good to know that instead of providing a counter-argument backed up with information you just insult me. I find it amusing when people do this, it would be easier just to admit you where wrong and thank me for helping you.
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The name calling was innapropriate; my apologies. As for the rest--PM.
 
Anyone else here draw shooting/war doodles when you were in school?
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When I was nine, we (boys) hardly drew anything else. And among the boys, one of the favorite books to take out of the school library was a big one with lots of pictures and descriptions of all kinds of weapons, from pre-Christian era up to modern times. Great material to copy from. :cool:

Still, I'm waiting to see what the latest is on this . . .
 
As a former shop teacher, 20 or 30 years ago, my students, among other things, built black powder rifles and bowie knives in class. I used to spend days just teaching them how to sharpen a knife and hone a broadhead. Not one of them ever harmed anybody or robbed a convenience store to my knowledge.

Not any more. In fact, it got to the point that I wasn't even allowed to build gun cabinets in our woodworking class--we had to call them "trophy cases." Things got topsy-turvey about a dozen or so years ago, and went downhill at an alarming rate. The asylum is run by zombies, I swear.

Public education is beyond being repaired; I am glad to be done with it.
 
My 7th grade son told me yesterday that he had several projects to complete before the end of the school year. He said he is doing one of them on guns. :D

I think I better get a little more information on what exactly he is doing. I hope he doesn't need to bring any exhibits.
 
NOTE: By receiving this Honor Code, you will not be invited to attend your grade level's incentive.
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That's what irked me the most. Do NOT let them punish your child for nothing. Ask to see the schools "Honor Code" or whatever, read through it with a fine tooth comb, and ask them to point out the part he violated. If its something related to violence explain to them that you son target shoots with his mother and it is nothing violent.

My father would have freaked out on them over this, and he isn't even very pro firearm he's just very defensive about me, or well used to be when I was a minor and especially when I was in the right. Your kids in the right, he didn't do anything purposefully disruptive, and the teacher is abusing her power IMO. Don't let you kid miss out on his grade levels incentive over this, he will remember it for a long way down the road.
 
Give a little history lesson to the teacher about our wonderful country, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and The 2nd Amendment.

Also remind her that Americans grew up on apple pie, John Wayne, cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, and G.I. Joe. And ask her if she's familiar with ancient tribes and colonization and their storie of survival by their hunters and gatherers.
 
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120 posts on this subject, and not a single post since starting the thread by the OP?

Winter Borne what is up, you still interested in what all these people have to say? You asked for advice, at least post some follow up to the incident.
 
Grammar and vocabulary are correct

"after a conferencing with him"? That is poor grammar and incorrect word use...i can understand an irrational fear of guns by some lefties, but bad grammar from a teacher is inexcusable, IMO.
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con⋅fer⋅enc⋅ing
 
 /ˈkɒnfərənsɪŋ, -frən-/
Pronunciation [kon-fer-uhn-sing, -fruhn-]
–noun
1. the holding of a series of meetings or conferences.
2. participation in a conference that involves use of a particular electronic technology: audio conferencing; computer conferencing


Anyhow, I have to agree with the others who say to stick up for your kid. The kid didn't do anything wrong, and deserves no punishment. Make sure your kid understands this. Talking about or drawing pictures of guns, shooting, hunting, etc., is not bad. If your kid was drawing pictures or talking of harming others or destroying property, then there is an issue to be dealt with. Otherwise there is no harm or shame in what your child did. If the teacher disapproves of this activity, politely remind him/her that his/her opinions of the activity are irrelevant. You raise your child according to your values. If my kid's school attempted to punish her in any way for doing the same thing, I'd insist they reverse their decision and apologize to my child, or there'd be no end to the headaches I'd cause them through any administrative processes or whatever other means available.

Of course, if my child is anything like me (and everyone says she's just like me), she'll lose pretty much all respect for the opinions of her teachers before she's in the 3rd grade anyway. :D
 
KarenTOC said:
... you will not be invited to attend your grade level's incentive.
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Could someone please explain what this means?
I don't understand how one "attends" a "positive motivational influence."
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It might be a way of saying that everyone who has no honor code violations gets to, say, have a pizza party, or go roller skating, or something. That's your "incentive" for behaving, so they just call the whole thing "your grade level's incentive."
 
My how times have changed. I built both a Flintlock muzzle loader and a percussion lock muzzle loader my senior year in high school. My wood shop teacher actually took me to his farm to shoot them.

In this case ,It sounds to me like the teacher needs to learn ,not the student



(yes I know I am old. I was a senior in 1977:D)
 
It might be a way of saying that everyone who has no honor code violations gets to, say, have a pizza party, or go roller skating, or something. That's your "incentive" for behaving, so they just call the whole thing "your grade level's incentive."
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I still can't wrap my brain around what "honor" has to do with it.

Yeah, I know... it is just symantics.

However, some of the most honorable people I know are gunowners. I know a number of honorable artists as well.

:)


-- John
 
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