Law Enforcement Orgs choosing 1911...

[Lofland]

"...I’ll be damned if I’ve ever come across another one that’s had me laughing this hard. And that includes the Mall Ninja and Pretty Boy threads. "

IMNSHO, Tamara and Handy will have to work a LOT harder to get to the Mall Ninja level! [edit: of humor, not weapon skill ]

Is the extra training required for the 1911 just ingraining the habit of wiping the safety down when you draw, or is there more to it? I would think the easy trigger and the stabilizing weight of the 1911 would reduce the training time required.

 

[DeltaElite]

Ya got me Handy, I misspoke and stand corrected.

I do agree that most people are better served with a DA first shot weapon, due to their lack of training and proficiency.
My dept just with from a DA/SA weapon to Glocks. I fear even more so for my safety around my co-workers than before.
Negligent discharges will abound and soon.

 

[Quartus]

Delta, your statements present an interesting conundrum.

1. Untrained people (alas, too many of whom are LEOs) are better served with a DA weapon.
   
2. Your department, having just switched to such a weapon, will soon abound with NDs.
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   Rock and a hard place, anyone?

 

[9mmepiphany]

deltaelite - at least your whole department is changing over. unless things have changed, glock used to require that departments that switched over to the pistol be transitioned/trained by their training staff. their training was excellent and goes a long way toward avoiding common "glock errors".

our department, at one time, approved the glock family as an optional duty weapon. we had required "semi-auto" training class which was somewhat generic. several glock 19 models started showing up in duty holsters (i think the $300 price had somthing to do with it).

the most dangerous place was the "cleaning shack" with more then a few rounds going off as disassembly started with "pulling the trigger"

 

[Handy]

Quartus,

I don't think DeltaElite considers the 5.5# Glock trigger DA, since he specified DA/SA is best, just before. Glock is not DA/SA

 

[DeltaElite]

I consider Glock to be a single action with no mechanical safety.
The trigger safety is not a safety in the sense of a grip or thumb safety.

I would much preferred seeing my fellow ofcs issued a Walther P99 or Sig. I would gladly carry either one also.

I see many ofcs who are accustomed to the 12lb long pull of the DA/SA that they were trained on, being rather dangerous with the Glock since the transition training is one day with a couple hundred rounds fired.

I wear my armor to the range, some people make fun of me.
I hope I don't have to show them why I do, because of someone elses mistake.

Wish me luck, hopefully I will come home with the same number of holes that I left with.

 

[arizona]

Target Pistol

Oh, for sure! The 1911 is a target pistol and would never hold up to the mud of the trenches in the Meuse-Argonne or the snow and ice of the Chosin Reser

Tamara

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I believe, if my memory is correct, the 1911 was used and is still used to some extent as a fighting tool by US armed forces...military and otherwise...for decades.

I'll bet you maybe in some mud, snow, or even ice.

Served in a couple of wars too.

 

[Boats]

Arizona:

Tam was being sarcastic.

 

[Handy]

It was particularly funny that she was being sarcastic, considering she WAS referring to a 1911 target pistol (HRT pistol) that probably will not stand up to much mud, snow or ice without locking up.

Grandad's Remington Rand didn't shoot 1.5" groups at 50 yards.

 

[Quartus]

 

[Tamara]

Handy,

Have you even handled one of these guns?

Hang on... BRB...

 

[Tamara]

Picture 1: Before

 

[Tamara]

Picture 2: During.

 

[Handy]

A 1911?


Or a new issue War Dept. M1911-A1, just like my Grandfather was issued in '43?

 

[Tamara]

Picture 3: Also during.

 

[Tamara]

Handy,

A 1911?


Or a new issue War Dept. M1911-A1, just like my Grandfather was issued in '43?

No, Handy, one of those HRT target pistols that won't stand up to mud.

 

[Tamara]

Picture 4: Also also during.

 

[Tamara]

Picture 5: After.

 

[Handy]

Oh, a $1700 tightened and tuned FBI HRT 1911 that is "guarantted" to shoot 1.5" at 50 yards! Why no, I don't.


Are you implying that this dirty gun in the picture would have passed the M9 reliability trials with the same performance as the military issue gun 1911-A1 used as benchmark? They put it in mud, sand, ice etc. and the only guns that jammed less were the 226 and 92. Those old guns were more reliable than a Star 30, S&W 9mm, FN BPM, etc.

 

[Tamara]

There you go.

I took my $2,400 "overly tight" target pistol out, threw it in the mud, stomped on it, stood on it, and then ran 2 mags of ammo through it. Mag one (185gr +P Golden Sabers) ran without a hiccup. Mag two (Georgia Arms softball 200gr semiwadcutters) had an FTF on round two, cleared with a fast tap-rack-bang.

 

[Tamara]

No, Handy: You said that a "target" HRT 1911 wouldn't stand up to mud. I just proved that it did.

 

[Handy]

That stuff is mud?

So the last pic is after it was washed?

 

[Tamara]

Oh, almost forgot: Picture #6 cleaning.

 

[Tamara]

That stuff is mud?

You know, at times I am reminded of the old phrase: "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics..."

I quit, Handy. No, it was chocolate frosting; you've exposed me...

 

[arizona]

Picture 5: After.

I'm impressed FWIW