Minutemen being threatened! Showdown at Mexico/America border?

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FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Showdownat border?
Violent, terror-connected gang threatens
to confront civilian immigration patrols

Posted: March 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


It looks like there is going to be a second "showdown at the OK Corral" in Tombstone, Ariz., April 1.

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization to teach a lesson to a group of Americans taking border control into their own hands.

The American civilians, known as the "Minutemen," say they have some 750 volunteers ready to show up in Tombstone to start policing the border and dealing with illegal immigration.


The Mara Salvatruchas, founded in Los Angeles, has become one of the most violent and widespread gangs throughout South America, the U.S. and even Canada. Many of its members and leaders have been deported from the U.S., but the group is said to be deeply involved in cross-border arms-running and drug-smuggling operations, according to U.S. law enforcement sources.

Lately, the gang has joined forces with former members of the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front, a radical terrorist group, and some U.S. intelligence sources say they may also be cooperating with Islamic terrorist groups – including al-Qaida.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen hope to form a group of civilians from all walks of life to patrol the border day and night – even with the threat of such violence. Their goal is stop the flow of illegal immigration through the Arizona-Mexico border, the biggest entry point into the U.S.

Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, Calif., is leading the project.

"I struck the mother lode of nationalism," he told a local TV station. "I thought I would be lucky to get 12 volunteers. In six months, I've gotten almost 500."

The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border. Some people call the area "America's Open Door." Along this section of the border, more than 43 percent of all illegal entries to the U.S. take place.

Last year, the Tucson Border Patrol apprehended 491,000. But for every person caught, immigration sources say, at least five walk in undetected.

"We're going to set up at least 40 maybe 80 outposts, four to six people per outpost 24/7, looking for people who are infiltrating over that border," said Gilchrist.

To do this, Gilchrist is amassing people from all walks of life to spend a month camped out on the border.

But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.

"Ten percent of our members are retired law enforcement officers who have a right to carry a concealed weapon. They probably will carry and you won't know it," he said.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

Border patrol agents have seen a growing problem with violence in recent years. Agents have been attacked by frustrated smugglers with rocks, bricks, even automatic weapons.

According to authorities, violence along the Tucson sector has climbed to an all-time high.

"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame.

But that has not deterred many of the volunteers.

The Minutemen even have an air force. They plan to use about two dozen aircraft to patrol the skies near the border.

Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

The Mara Salvatruchas identify themselves with tattoos, such as "MS" or the numbers 13 and 18, signifying their relationship to the gang. The gang formed in the United States in the 1980s in a Los Angeles prison. The 13 and 18 signify the city streets in L.A. where they hung out.

U.S. officials are concerned the gang members might help sneak al-Qaida terrorists into America.

Rivera-Paz was charged with illegally entering the United States after being deported, but is expected to be extradited to Honduras to face charges in connection with the bus massacre.
 
Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

So? He's still eligible for Bush's amnesty program, isn't he?
 
I predict the ACLU will come to the aid of the illegals, suing the Minutemen for infringing on the rights of those sneaking into the country.

(And I am not being at all sarcastic.)
 
"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster,"
I would imagine that quite a few of the Minuteman volunteers are retired/former military, along with those with LE experience ;)

What worries me, though, is that IIRC the Minutemen will NOT be carrying rifles :uhoh:

I wouldn't venture into that border back-country for any reason without at least a rifle and a handgun, along with plenty of ammo.
 
What worries me, though, is that IIRC the Minutemen will NOT be carrying rifles
I think that Gilchrist is emphasizing that most will be unarmed for the LEO's and media's sake knowing full well that anyone of them NOT armed is an idiot. There'll be plenty of rifles, handguns, and ammo around but kept out of sight, I'm sure.

Greg
 
But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.
I would sure hope these guys are armed. If we're talking about confrontations with street gangs/criminals from south of the border with FA weapons, the good guys should have some firepower as well.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.
Well, this wouldn't be a problem if the border patrol had the funds and manpower to take care of this themselves. Maybe some help from the National Guard as well. Since nobody else is stepping up to take care of the problem, it's nice to see that these guys are. (Insert immigration policy rant here)
 
The Border patrol guys do a tough job without sufficent resources. I guess I would be naive to think there management types would welcome and attempt to integrate assistance that dosn't impact the budget.

:rolleyes:
 
If the MS-13 gang is succesful in killing one or more of these men and women protecting our borders, I suspect there will be a huge cry for more border security.

Not only that, but there would probably be more people willing to join up, and fight against them.

It would work against them in so many levels.

I do hope that the Minutemen have their rifles with them, I would hate to see this situation get out of hand.

I.G.B.
 
The ACLU should be viewed as part of the enemy forces. They are just tearing us apart more slowly!
 
"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame


Maybe, but I'd say an even larger recipe for disaster is allowing 4 out of 5 illegals into the country without being caught, as is currently happening according to the article. I'd imagine this civilian group will get THOUSANDS of more volunteers if Al-Qaida suicide bombers start doing their thing in American cities. The feds need to wake up. If the government isn't willing to protect the country, there are still citizens who will.
 
Minutement on th AZ Border

George, are you reading all of this? Fiddling while :cuss: Rome burns is bordering on dereliction of duty . So drop the SS yakitty yak, put on your fighting shoes and lets get mucho more INS agents on the Mexican border, stop the invasion of freeloaders and dope smugglers, gun runners and pals of el queda.

You can't kiss Mexico's :cuss: and cause civilians to have to do the job for you. So, reveile, haul out, heave up and get the job done! :banghead:
 
"They should have some standard for conduct lest they get labeled as a bigoted mob."

Maybe the Founding Fathers had a situation like this in mind when they wrote;

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
"They should have some standard for conduct lest they get labeled as a bigoted mob."

Maybe the Founding Fathers had a situation like this in mind when they wrote;

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


EXACTLY !!
 
You can't kiss Mexico's and cause civilians to have to do the job for you. So, reveile, haul out, heave up and get the job done!

All things done or not done stem from money, the elite in Mexico win, the wealthy here win and the American taxpayer is the loser. :(
 
I'm thinking about going

I need a vacation.

Gang members are tough when it comes to unarmed peasants who've never held a rifle,the few I've seen at the range cant hit the side of a barn at 7 yards.
If they shoot their "machine guns" it will make it easier for any vet to pick
them off at a distance.
 
After spending some time on their site, I am actually a little worried for the participants.

While they openly discuss carrying pistols in accordance to Arizona law (although they dont want people unholstering even for cleaning :scrutiny: ), they dont discuss having rifles nearby.

My concern is that a 4-8 member team might be ambushed by members of the Mara Salvatruchas gang. Even if all members of the MMP are openly carrying a pistol, they wouldn't be a match against a group of gang bangers carrying rifle.

Add in the extended range between the teams, and response time for another team to come help would likely be too long.

Other than that, I think they have done a great job explaining what to expect, and what their goals are. I think they are doing a great thing, and I wish that I could join them.

I.G.B.
 
"If the MS-13 gang is succesful in killing one or more of these men and women protecting our borders, I suspect there will be a huge cry for more border security."

Maybe, but I wouldn't be sure. It seems like nothing's sacred anymore to the media, and that postmodernist, moral-relativism lot might spin it into a bunch of "hicks" and "gun nuts" going into a dangerous situation and getting killed as much by "their own stupidity" as anything else.

Which isn't to say I don't itch for a few weeks off from work and school, and the cash to load my car with ammo and camping supplies. I'm a big admirer of this initiative.
 
I emailed Jim over at MMP about the article, and expressed hope that the volunteers would have access to rifles just in case.

He emailed back very quickly that the threat is actually a hoax by one of MS-13's members who likes to intimidate them.

Just thought I would pass that on.

I.G.B.
 
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