Minutemen being threatened! Showdown at Mexico/America border?
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DRZinn
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I'm not in the media nor a post-modernist (whatever that is) and it still sounds about right to me. Guys getting excited by the prospect of going into the desert and wasting people is probably not the image of gun owners we want to project. It sure isnt an image for me.
cuchulainn
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Yep.
Ivy Mike
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The way I see it, SKS are inexpensive. Ammo for them is inexpensive and widely available. Stripper clips are easy to stash in mag pouches.
So, you have all volunteers sign up as militia and just call it something else when news cameras come around. Make sure you emphasize that there is a huge open border and that all sorts of nasty Islamic-sounding words can get through there.
FOX news will love ya although everyone else will blast you as a racist, militant, wacko, gun-nut...etc.
Sounds like fun! I think I'll go camping for a while.
So, you have all volunteers sign up as militia and just call it something else when news cameras come around. Make sure you emphasize that there is a huge open border and that all sorts of nasty Islamic-sounding words can get through there.
FOX news will love ya although everyone else will blast you as a racist, militant, wacko, gun-nut...etc.
Sounds like fun! I think I'll go camping for a while.
Stauffenberg
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"Getting excited about the prospect of going into the desert and wasting people?"
The guys will be armed for their protection only, if they choose to be armed at all. They're gonna be there largely to just report illegals coming over the border - it's more a political protest than anything. I suppose your opinion of that depends on your views of immigration, and this really isn't the forum for discussing that. But what red-blooded American's heart isn't warmed by the idea of his fellow citizens taking time off from their busy schedules to make their statement? If they were a bunch of college students protesting a war, they'd be hailed as "democratic activists," but no, they're protesting immigration, and maybe doing it with a rifle in their trunk, so they're dangerous "vigilantes." I see a double standard there; am I wrong?
The guys will be armed for their protection only, if they choose to be armed at all. They're gonna be there largely to just report illegals coming over the border - it's more a political protest than anything. I suppose your opinion of that depends on your views of immigration, and this really isn't the forum for discussing that. But what red-blooded American's heart isn't warmed by the idea of his fellow citizens taking time off from their busy schedules to make their statement? If they were a bunch of college students protesting a war, they'd be hailed as "democratic activists," but no, they're protesting immigration, and maybe doing it with a rifle in their trunk, so they're dangerous "vigilantes." I see a double standard there; am I wrong?
2nd Amendment
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It seems that for some around here any action more strong than a sternly worded letter to the Elite is not acceptable. Increasingly I am coming to believe that nothing will change this view for some.
nico
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Stauffenberg, they're not protesting immigration. They're protesting ILLEGAL immigration. There's a huge difference between the two.
Well, guess it's time to grab my gilly suit & desert camo.
Why don't we just take all of Mexico and then we wouldn't have to worry about illegal immigrants from there anymore, and we could have a smaller border to patrol along Central America.
Why don't we just take all of Mexico and then we wouldn't have to worry about illegal immigrants from there anymore, and we could have a smaller border to patrol along Central America.
Selfdfenz
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Breaking News
As a follow-up to their highly successful The Guide for the Mexican Migrant, the Mexican Federal Government issued a press release today announcing the second book in the El Norte Travel Series entitled Getting the Most Out of Your April Trip to Anywhere Besides Arizona.
This newest offering is loaded with features on Texas, New Mexico and California as well as some excellent hints on campfire cooking and warm weather endurance training.
The publisher predicted the first copies of Getting the Most Out of Your April Trip to Anywhere Besides Arizona should start arriving in the US as early as May depending on the weather.
(this was only a test)
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As a follow-up to their highly successful The Guide for the Mexican Migrant, the Mexican Federal Government issued a press release today announcing the second book in the El Norte Travel Series entitled Getting the Most Out of Your April Trip to Anywhere Besides Arizona.
This newest offering is loaded with features on Texas, New Mexico and California as well as some excellent hints on campfire cooking and warm weather endurance training.
The publisher predicted the first copies of Getting the Most Out of Your April Trip to Anywhere Besides Arizona should start arriving in the US as early as May depending on the weather.
(this was only a test)
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itgoesboom
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Rabbi,
They aren't going to detain any of the illegals, they aren't going to hunt them with firearms, they are simply going to be observing and contacting the border patrol.
Maybe you should go to their website and and actually read what they are doing, and what their goals are rather than spouting your incorrect impressions of what they are doing.
The reason that many of us are advocating that they carry long arms is because of the threat that has just been posed by the MS-13 gang, which has a long history of extreme violence.
And they are doing this as a protest, as a way to garner attention from the national media. They know they aren't going to be able to report all the illegals that cross while they are there. They know that even if they could report all the illegals that cross at that particular spot during that particular month, it won't be a drop in the bucket compared to how many come across over the rest of the border.
I.G.B.
They aren't going to detain any of the illegals, they aren't going to hunt them with firearms, they are simply going to be observing and contacting the border patrol.
Maybe you should go to their website and and actually read what they are doing, and what their goals are rather than spouting your incorrect impressions of what they are doing.
The reason that many of us are advocating that they carry long arms is because of the threat that has just been posed by the MS-13 gang, which has a long history of extreme violence.
And they are doing this as a protest, as a way to garner attention from the national media. They know they aren't going to be able to report all the illegals that cross while they are there. They know that even if they could report all the illegals that cross at that particular spot during that particular month, it won't be a drop in the bucket compared to how many come across over the rest of the border.
I.G.B.
Lennyjoe
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Ummm............if I go out there I'm gonna be carrying more than just my pistol. Was thinking more like the AR-15 and 8 each 30 round mags. Of course the 10MM would be coming along too with 3 each 9 round mags.
Art Eatman
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As near as I can tell, the mainstream media isn't particularly interested in US problems with illegals. The Congress seems to hope the whole issue wil somehow just go away. The White House doesn't appear to be doing anything meaningful.
The last I heard, the various governmental powers are delegated by The People. That's us voters and suchlike, if I understand who The People are. We pay taxes and thus hire cops and border patrollers and soldiers and all that defend-society-and-the-country stuff.
So what are The People to do when a problem is not addressed by those to whom the authority has been delegated? Say, "Aw, heck with it; why worry?" and go watch TV? Or try to make waves, get the general public's attention and hope to stir up some action from those who should have been doing something years ago?
I think it's trivial to focus on those who fulminate about "I'm gonna shoot..." or on those who show up making racist commentaries. Instead, key on the mission statement of the organizers and don't fall into the usual mediahcrity* trap of focussing on the excitement rather than the problem.
Art
* Say 500 people show up. Three are eager-shooters, and two are from StormFront. A Cokie Roberts type will respond to "What does it all MEAN?" with "It's too easy to buy guns, and it shows racism is a serious problem." No mention of 495 "just foks", nor the billions of tax dollars wasted on illegals.
The last I heard, the various governmental powers are delegated by The People. That's us voters and suchlike, if I understand who The People are. We pay taxes and thus hire cops and border patrollers and soldiers and all that defend-society-and-the-country stuff.
So what are The People to do when a problem is not addressed by those to whom the authority has been delegated? Say, "Aw, heck with it; why worry?" and go watch TV? Or try to make waves, get the general public's attention and hope to stir up some action from those who should have been doing something years ago?
I think it's trivial to focus on those who fulminate about "I'm gonna shoot..." or on those who show up making racist commentaries. Instead, key on the mission statement of the organizers and don't fall into the usual mediahcrity* trap of focussing on the excitement rather than the problem.
Art
* Say 500 people show up. Three are eager-shooters, and two are from StormFront. A Cokie Roberts type will respond to "What does it all MEAN?" with "It's too easy to buy guns, and it shows racism is a serious problem." No mention of 495 "just foks", nor the billions of tax dollars wasted on illegals.
Jim Diver
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Drizzt
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Tucson editorial regarding the Minutemen
Our Opinion: A plea to the Minutemen - stay home
Tucson Citizen
Hundreds of armed, volunteer "Minutemen" invited to pour into Cochise County on April Fools' Day likely will create more problems than they ever could solve.
They're coming from across the nation to find and report incoming illegal immigrants, a sort of "neighborhood watch," says organizer Jim Gilchrist, who lives in Orange County, Calif.
We question why a Californian feels compelled to protect the Cochise County border, but county residents don't. Many welcome the Minutemen as a means to not only batten down the border, but also send a clear signal to Washington.
We need immigration reform, they say, and we need it now. We couldn't agree more.
Locals are tired of trespassers trashing their land. Some feel threatened enough to carry guns themselves, and that's logical once you've heard their tales of woe.
But the prospect of locals and visitors gathering with guns to avert would-be immigrants doesn't sit well with the Border Patrol or some county officials.
The summons is for "volunteers" who may carry guns but won't be required to have concealed weapons permits.
They would roam along the San Pedro River from Naco to the Huachuca Mountains, sweeping as far north as Tombstone.
Organizers say the Minutemen will simply alert officials to the presence of illegal immigrants. But given the emotionally charged immigration issue, will their activities stop at that?
All Americans should be concerned about border issues, but forming a group that includes veritable strangers - and encouraging them to bring firearms - has many authorities worried, and rightly so.
Instead of taking part in this ill-conceived exercise, people should contact their members of Congress and insist on comprehensive immigration reform now.
The "Minutemen" will be in territory where few folks can differentiate among citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Our region is rich in Mexican-American heritage founded by families who settled here generations ago.
So the specter of unknown, untrained, armed people joining forces to "defend" our diversely populated desert makes us mighty nervous.
"It's a recipe for disaster," Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame says.
Our trained, seasoned and knowledgeable law officers and Border Patrol officials have high-tech tools, deep knowledge of border-area deserts and a clear understanding of laws that apply.
They're dancing as fast as they can. The advent of inexperienced thrill-seekers can only impede their progress. So Minutemen: Stop and think. Then do everyone a favor. Stay home.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=opinion&story_id=030705b4_edits
Our Opinion: A plea to the Minutemen - stay home
Tucson Citizen
Hundreds of armed, volunteer "Minutemen" invited to pour into Cochise County on April Fools' Day likely will create more problems than they ever could solve.
They're coming from across the nation to find and report incoming illegal immigrants, a sort of "neighborhood watch," says organizer Jim Gilchrist, who lives in Orange County, Calif.
We question why a Californian feels compelled to protect the Cochise County border, but county residents don't. Many welcome the Minutemen as a means to not only batten down the border, but also send a clear signal to Washington.
We need immigration reform, they say, and we need it now. We couldn't agree more.
Locals are tired of trespassers trashing their land. Some feel threatened enough to carry guns themselves, and that's logical once you've heard their tales of woe.
But the prospect of locals and visitors gathering with guns to avert would-be immigrants doesn't sit well with the Border Patrol or some county officials.
The summons is for "volunteers" who may carry guns but won't be required to have concealed weapons permits.
They would roam along the San Pedro River from Naco to the Huachuca Mountains, sweeping as far north as Tombstone.
Organizers say the Minutemen will simply alert officials to the presence of illegal immigrants. But given the emotionally charged immigration issue, will their activities stop at that?
All Americans should be concerned about border issues, but forming a group that includes veritable strangers - and encouraging them to bring firearms - has many authorities worried, and rightly so.
Instead of taking part in this ill-conceived exercise, people should contact their members of Congress and insist on comprehensive immigration reform now.
The "Minutemen" will be in territory where few folks can differentiate among citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Our region is rich in Mexican-American heritage founded by families who settled here generations ago.
So the specter of unknown, untrained, armed people joining forces to "defend" our diversely populated desert makes us mighty nervous.
"It's a recipe for disaster," Border Patrol spokesman Andy Adame says.
Our trained, seasoned and knowledgeable law officers and Border Patrol officials have high-tech tools, deep knowledge of border-area deserts and a clear understanding of laws that apply.
They're dancing as fast as they can. The advent of inexperienced thrill-seekers can only impede their progress. So Minutemen: Stop and think. Then do everyone a favor. Stay home.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=opinion&story_id=030705b4_edits
Stauffenberg
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Off topic, but Rabbi, did you ever post at Totse?
If so, might you remember a hotheaded young buck by the name of Armed&Angry?
If so, might you remember a hotheaded young buck by the name of Armed&Angry?
Selfdfenz
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Drizzit
Bwahahahahahahahahahahah....
Editorial opinion from a media outlet* + 89 cents = cup of coffee
* and their opinions were founded in goofyness, bias and emotions
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahah....
Editorial opinion from a media outlet* + 89 cents = cup of coffee
* and their opinions were founded in goofyness, bias and emotions
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spartacus2002
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They're just doing the jobs that Congresscritters won't do....
Upholding the laws doesn't stop at the border....
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