Minutemen being threatened! Showdown at Mexico/America border?

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The real issue

None of this would be necessary if George Bush and our officials stepped up to the plate and did what they keep crowing,"Our main job is to protect Americans." Well, where is the beef George? It is a sad day in America when citizens feel they have to do these things because our leaders won't when they know full well that those who want to destroy us can find a path to so easily do so. :fire: :cuss: :banghead:
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I went to their website and read the FAQs but I am still confused as to WHOSE land the patrol efforts will occur on ...?

Public (BLM) land, or specific private property ????

If on private land with the invitation of the owner, I would think no one could possibly have a (legitimate) beef with the MM activities because it is well within the rights of any landowner to take any security measures deemed necessary to protect his or her property.
 
So what should those do who are deeply concerned about the threats that cross our borders?
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I would say for starters that camping out for a month in a remote desert location and calling that "protest" is the wrong way to go. If anyone has noticed, protests are usually in well-populated areas like NY and Washington DC in order to get attention. It would be very easy (and just about guaranteed) for the media to ignore the whole event, which would render it useless.
The response should be same as it is for any other issue. Come up with solutions, organize, talk to politicians, gain proponents of the cause.
Why do you think the NRA has been so effective? Because they have millions of *voting* members, they have huge sources of funds to influence public opinion, and they have as a result access to elected officials. Those officials will take note of an organization that represents millions of people with a unified agenda. They will not take note of 852 camo-clad wannabes camping out in the desert for a month.
 
Very odd that the Mexican government, and this MS13, (very violent prison gang) is more worried about the civilian volunteers, than our "highly trained professionals"....interesting....do you think they fear becoming room temperature? Noteriety and panic from the thugs and supporting government, nothing from out government, except the notorious moron Raul Grijalva, and interesting combination.....
 
It would be very easy (and just about guaranteed) for the media to ignore the whole event, which would render it useless.

Hmmm....not quite. Doing a quick news.yahoo.com search, I came up with 149 stories about the project. That includes wires services, TV news stations web sites, and newspapers.

And that is one month to go before the project actually starts.

Back when it was first announced it got even more publicity, including being featured on most of the cable news stations.

The reason that this is an effective protest is that it shows the government that if they aren't willing to tackle a problem, that the citizens are willing.

I.G.B.
 
Doing a quick news.yahoo.com search, I came up with 149 stories about the project. That includes wires services, TV news stations web sites, and newspapers.
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Of the 149 stories does anybody know of ANY that says it is a good idea?

Or do they use this occasion to bash gun owners, and call us stupid to try to help protect the border.
 
We can continue to speculate and fulminate, but until the gathering actually occurs, and the time of the "protest" comes about, nobody knows nuttin' 'bout nuttin'.

The organizers seem to be spending a good bit of effort to make sure that no gratuitous violence or harm is initiated by the group.

Desert training: "Drink lots of water." "Wear a hat." "Avoid sunburn." That'll suffice, sez me, but then I've only lived in a desert for 22 years, now. (Well, "Don't squat on a cactus!" comes to mind, but I rather think that's obvious...)

Knowledge of Law: You have to know the law in order to sit somewhere and watch what goes on? Gotta know the law in order to use a cell phone or radio?

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

:), Art
 
Hmmm....not quite. Doing a quick news.yahoo.com search, I came up with 149 stories about the project. That includes wires services, TV news stations web sites, and newspapers
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Well, there were 169 entries on the yahoo for the daf yomi siyum hashas and I would about guarantee that 90% of this board doesnt have a clue what that is.
 
I would say for starters that camping out for a month in a remote desert location and calling that "protest" is the wrong way to go. If anyone has noticed, protests are usually in well-populated areas like NY and Washington DC in order to get attention.
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You can protest in populated areas, but those protests often just piss off a lot of people in those areas because you're interfering with their lives.

You can also protest where the problem is in the hopes that you can bring attention to the problem through media coverage.

This protest appears to be getting media coverage, and will likely get more as it ramps up.

Protesting in DC is pretty much a waste, unless you have the mainstream media on your side. They see protesters every day on just about every subject and are less likely to be swayed directly. What you need to do is sway the people by bringing the issue to their attention, and then let them sawy the politicians.
 
I think they will do a much better and more professional job than anyone thinks.

Think of yourself and your friends in that situation, you are going to think things through and come up with ways to avoid killing and/or being killed; unless you're out there eating Peyote buttons off the ground :D ... Why do we automatically assume that everyone else is stupid?

Rabbi, with that attitude this country would still end at the Appalachians. But, then again, a voice of moderation is always nice to have around.
 
Rabbi,

They are there to do both. Being there and reporting the activity is a protest since the government doesn't seem intrested in doing the job themselves.

I.G.B.
 
This may be off topic.

The reason we have open borders with Mexico is because the U.S. is the pressure valve.

If we had closed borders the Mexicans would revolt against the corrupt government where mordita(sp) runs the government from the village to seat of government.

Bush is covering Fox's rear to keep him in power.

The name of the game is oil, power, and money.

The Bushes have deep roots with the Mexicans in oil deals and winning Shrubs run for office in Texas.

This government will come down hard against the patriots who step just one toe over the line defending our borders.

MS-13 is Mexico's mercenaries with no trace to either the U.S. or Mexican government.
 
Don't forget the cheap labor who don't dare complain about working conditions, because they don't want to be deported. I suspect that's the biggest reason: Both major parties are in hock to industries that are hooked on illegal immigrant labor.

Of course, the cheap domestic servants are important, too.
 
"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.
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Sounds to me like you have that now.

Oh, wait! I forget that ONLY the Govt can protect us! What was I thinking!
 
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