My new girlfriend HATES GUNS!

[feedthehogs]

Bring her to the local gun rights group meeting.
Its the first monday of the month.
Here is the link:
Second amendment coalition of florida

Go to the events page for a map to the VFW off Okeechobee by the Kravitz center.

Really good people with alot of women. In fact the current president is a wonderful lady.

 

[dasmi]

You, my friend, are in a tought spot.

In other words, there is not a chance that I will stop carrying, for love or not.

That's good, but you might want to make sure she realizes you will ALWAYS have guns in your home, and even if you get married, that will not change. You may want to also point that you plan on teaching your children about guns, and how to shoot. (I assume you do plan on this.)
If she can't deal with it, now is the time to find out.

 

[dpesec]

Well decisions

Jeff,
I have a similar problem, but at least the gal I'm begining to see accepts the fact I have guns. Today, I spent the morning helping on the range during a CCW class and in the afternoon I was with her. So needless to say I was "packing".

IMHO, it depends on how far she takes it. If you could get her to the range, great. Mine is interested in bowling pin shooting, so we might do that. Show her that people that are willing to protect themselves and their loved ones are regular "Joes" not some wild eye freak. Often, it's interpersonal relationships that make the difference.
Good luck my friend

 

[Turkey Creek]

Be Afraid- Be Very Afraid!

 

[Byron Quick]

I was on a first date with a lady who pronounced that no guns would ever be in her house. I immediately told her that I carried on a 24/7 basis and that I would never cross her door. The next day I asked someone else out.

Not only will I not date a woman who does not accept my firearms...I will not date a woman who will not take responsibility for her own defense by learning to use weapons and carrying. I'm not treating women by a different standard. I don't hang out with men who can't or won't defend themselves.

I went shooting with a friend yesterday who brought his girlfriend. She had never shot before. He started her out on a Ruger .22 rifle. Then she fired my S&W 65, FN Highpower, and selective fire Uzi. She did quite well. No flinch.

Most of the women that I've seen shoot for the first time have done better than most of the men that I've seen shoot for the first time.

The women in my family don't have this firearm bias and they have more cause than most to have a bias. My maternal grandfather died from complications of a gunshot wound. A very close family lost a child to a handgun improperly stored in a friend's house. And more. They understand that it's the person holding the firearm that might be the problem.

Life is too short for me to argue with any woman over my principles. I'm not going to change and I'm not going to stay around her long enough to agonize over not being with her. During the time that would be wasted arguing with her...I can find someone whom I do not have to convince.

 

[duck_god827]

New girlfriend hates guns

If this is a girl you are serious with then try to sway her veiw on firearms. Education is the key here. Good luck in this task. Rember to be patient.

 

[bogie]

Too many "antis" actually just believe the BS stereotypes... "Keep the guns in the right hands," "Saturday Night Specials are bad," etc., etc...

Take it slow, set a good example, and educate.

And the next time she wants to go out, and it's to a marginal area, tell her you really wouldn't like to go, because you don't think you could ensure her safety without a firearm along.

 

[RoyG]

If things go sour with the new girlfriend, you're only one restraining order away from losing your guns, and one DV charge away from losing your gun rights for life, thanks to the Lautenberg Amendment. It doesn't even need to be a justified charge...all she has to do is call the cops, and say that you displayed a gun in a manner that was threatening to her.

+1

 

[OF]

And since we are starting to build a good relationship as a couple, I do not want to jeopardize that. This is a big elephant in the corner.

The problem is you only think you are building a 'good relationship as a couple'. What you are actually building is a farce, a mirage that is really unfair to her. You know it's not true, that she doesn't really know you, but she thinks she knows you.

What if you had a horrible fear of spiders. They just scared the living crap out of you. Then imagine she was waaaay into spiders. Poisonous spiders. She had them as pets in terrariums. You said, "OK, but I am seriously creeped out by spiders. I hate them, they make want to vomit and give me nightmares. All I can think about is what will happen when I get bit by one. But I trust you know what you're doing...just keep them away from me. I mean it." Little did you know that every night she had one sleep in the bed with you because she thinks you're irrational about it.

One day you saw it.

Sound like a good time?

If you don't come completely clean, when she finds out about you carrying now not only do you have the gun thing to deal with but she knows you basically lied to her for the whole time. And, frankly, she'd be right not to ever trust you again.

- Gabe

 

[flatdog]

After three pages my eyes glossed over. So I hope this isn't plowed ground.

Have you thought about what her reaction(s) both short and long term will be. If you are forced to use the gun she didn't know you were carrying, in the first place, right in front of her eyes?

I would hazard a guess that somewhere down the road she will feel betrayed by you.

flatdog

edit: GRD and I posted just about the same thought "over-top" of each other. Sorry about that.

 

[Selfdfenz]

peacefuljeffrey

I can't give you any answers but I can pitch a couple of questions for your consideration.

A distinguishing trait required of being stridently “Brady-class” anti-gun is having under developed critical thinking skills. If she is also a strident ask-me-no-questions pro-choicer perhaps that’s a second indication her decision making process is fundamentally flawed. [Mildly to moderately both perhaps, but 100% take-no-prisoners either indicates irrational decision making]

Question1: Will a life partner that lacks critical thinking skills tend to get on your nerves over a lifetime?

Question 2: Can you cope with a life partner that in her own mind brought to the relationship the self-justified pre-set notion that all the reproductive decisions where hers to make?

For whatever reason the answers are Yes and Yes you’re all set, however, the fact this thread ever saw the light of day indicates there’s a voice down deep inside you saying No and No.

When there’s doubt…… there is no doubt.

S-

 

[atek3]

If things go sour with the new girlfriend, you're only one restraining order away from losing your guns, and one DV charge away from losing your gun rights for life, thanks to the Lautenberg Amendment. It doesn't even need to be a justified charge...all she has to do is call the cops, and say that you displayed a gun in a manner that was threatening to her.

+2

atek3

 

[CleverName]

If she can't find the usefullness in a BM Mini-Grip or even find comfort around it, RUN. DO NOT MOVE IN WITH THIS GIRL. Be platonic friends, sure, but IMHO a clash of opinions of this magnitude cannot result in a solid relationship.

Consider the Mini-Grip a small price to pay to avoide a potentially disasterous relationship.

On a related note, my (randomly assigned) roommate dislikes knives "because they kill or hurt a lot (unspecified number) of people." That's like hating hands because they're involved in almost all murders.

 

[2nd Amendment]

Gosh! I wonder why more women don't hang out at ranges and gun boards!

/feigning surprise

OK, maybe I missed something especially egregious but assuming I didn't, what is your point? He's getting no advice that a woman, announcing an anti-boyfriend fitting the same description, wouldn't get. The only difference would be in urgency and maybe tactics, since men are somewhat less able to avail themselves effectively of the abuse/harrassment angle in divorces and restraining orders.

I don't think anyone here is trying to be a member of the He-Man-Woman-Haters-Club, but there are certain possibilities and realities that have to be dealt with and considered. Talking about them doesn't always sound nice but not talking about it winds up being a lot worse. OTOH if someone was being a goober slap him silly, by all means.

 

[hillbilly]

It is impossible to form a life-long, intimate marriage relationship with a person who fundamentally disagrees with you 100% on basic, key values.

For example, if you really, really want to have kids, and your lover/spouse is really, really against having kids, your relationship will be very, very bad in the long term.

No matter how good the situation may seem in the short term, if you two are in a deeply-held values clash, it will be very very bad in the long term.


There are some issues that are, and quite frankly should be, deal-breakers.

It depends on how strongly you feel about guns.

Sounds like that you are committed to having guns for personal defense.

If you are committed to having guns, and she is committed against guns, then it sounds like you are in a deal-breaker situation.

Most people who are truly, deeply committed to a cause will not do a 180 degree turn in their values until they have a true "Road to Damscus" type experience.......and if you don't know the New Testament story, God strikes Saul blind on the road to Damascus and speaks to him from the sky.

Having a couple of discussions with somebody typically does not produce a "Road to Damascus" experience.

You have to make the decision.

But I know personally, I would never date or marry any woman who was a committed anti. That's a deal breaker for me. The trouble that would result would simply not be worth it.

hillbilly

 

[TonkinTwentyMil]

This ground's been plowed before...

We already had a very good thread on this topic about a month ago.

(*sighs*)

PeacefulJeffrey, listen up: there's a ton of good advice in this current thread... AND the last one. Read it all -- not just the parts that tell you what you want to hear. There are very good reasons why the majority of the THR folks are tellin' ya to cut your losses -- now.

Bottom Line: Ditch this babe now. Drop-kick her liberal pacifist butt to some "sensitive" Michael Moore type. Let HIM put up with her neurotic whining. Let HIM be her "project" (for "changing and growing to some higher level of awareness", blah-blah-blah, etcetera). Let HIM pay the eventual alimony.

Maybe 10 years from now, after she's gone through a few more nutless wimp-guys who fail to stop the street sharks (muggers and rapists) who are bred to smell weaklings' blood-in-the-water, she'll see the light. For anybody with common sense, however, life's too short to waste time on ladies like this.

If you (a) know something about guns, and (b) believe the 2nd Amendment is about a whole lot more than duck hunting...

Then, you are flat-out Politically and Culturally Incompatible.

Ditch her now.

Short term pain. Long term gain.

 

[DarkKnight01]

I believe plenty has been said...... heres my confusion.... you GAVE this strange girl your 100$ pocket knife? and shes afraid of it??? are you crazy !!??

Odds are it may end up in a trashcan somewhere.....

 

[CleverName]

Unless it's a RSK Mini Grip, it's not quite $100. Lowest price I've seen is $53 + S&H.

 

[DarkKnight01]

Yes true, just looked a bit more at some websites, seems they range from around 60 up to 95$ or so..... but still an expensive knife to give to someone just to try out... I woulda went with her to wally world and picked out a 20$ knife to see how she felt about it... then if she was comfortable id have gotten something a lil nicer for her.....

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Benchmade/555.asp

http://www.backcountry-equipment.com/knives/k-benchmade/b-556.php

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BM556SYEL

http://tackledirect.com/benchmade-mini-griptilian-knife.html

^^ rather vast price differences.

 

[Alex45ACP]

 

[chickenfried]

LOL that's funny Alex45

 

[BlackCat]

The thing is, she says that the reason she dislikes guns is because of "the power that they give people over other people."

I like guns because of "the power they give me over other people" in the rare chance I'd need that power.

Tell her how the truth is just the opposite. Guns remove power from people who shouldn't have it. A small woman becomes the equal of a 300lb man with a .357 in her hand. Effetively removing power from the man.

A small woman with a .357 isn't the equal of a 300lb man, she's the winner.

Didn't Sarah [Brady]...have a CCW permit

Sounds silly. I don't know why she would while at the same time displaying this this type of logic:

The thought that average citizens will somehow be better able to successfully defend themselves more effectively than our nation's trained professionals is absurd.

Taken From: http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=ccwfaq

 

[only1asterisk]

What would I do?

Why should you have I do anything? It's her problem. Give her all the relevent information and let her make her decision. If she can get past it, great! Convert her fully and enjoy all the happiness that two people can.
If she can't get over it, why saddle yourself with SO that don't have critical thinking skills?

David

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi PeacefulJeffrey-

Metrosexuality in men is the worst thing that has ever happened to real American women. Some women have this "idealized man" in their heads, until they realize they've saddled themselves with a swishy little poofter who is more concerned about his hair that she is about her own. The feminization and emasculation of decent men makes this country grow weaker with each passing generation. Stop agonizing over your feeeelings and simply go your own ways. To borrow a few words...

"...You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don’t need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don’t need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free..."​

If you really love her, you'll be doing her a favor by letting her find another Lefty handwringer with whom to share her life. Heed the excellent advice and four case histories provided by 3rdPig, 2ndAmendment, Marko Kloos, and Cacique500...not to mention other great input from Barbara, Mannlicher, Paul45, MauserGuy, TMM, & CleverName.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[bearmgc]

Her Values, Your Values...who's gonna bend? Conflict of core values, not something to mess with. If Brad Pitt can find a gunloving sweetheart so can you. Its more likely your girlfriend will attempt to get you to change your values in the long run.