Neighbors beating on my door....

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"God help some of you if you ever encounter a problem that a firearm WON'T help you out of."

I moved out of my parent's house over 20 years ago. Since that time, I would probably count the times on less than one hand that I have ever spoken to my neighbors at anywhere I ever lived. I have lived in my present home for about five years. I spoke to ONE of my neighbors twice (briefly) when he walked over to my yard when I was outside. I don't know any of my neighbor's names (first or last), and have never known any of my neighbor's names that I can remember.
What do you think the chances are of me going to one of my neighbors begging ?
 
Sure, I'd give him and his family sanctuary. The violence most probably would not last too long, and when it was over, I'd have an ally.
 
Sure, I'd give him and his family sanctuary. The violence most probably would not last too long, and when it was over, I'd have an ally.
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Yeah and if the violence dragged on and food ran low you could.....................I'm just kidding!!!!!:neener:
 
Actually, libs don't roast up too well, even in the crockpot. They're too tough and stringy and are only good for jerky. :p
 
Something like this happened to my brother during the 1968 riots in Washington DC after Martin L. King was shot.

An aquaintance, a lawyer, called up my brother and wanted to borrow a gun. Cannot remember if my brother gave him a gun or not.

Anyway, the lawyer worked in the White House as a speech writer for Pres. Johnson.
 
I can't state my sentiments anymore eloquently than 444, Standing Wolf and EvilOmega. Lack of prior, proper, preparation on your part does not constitute a moral obligation on my part.
I would only add a parting comment about whizzing up a rope before slamming the door in his face.

HankB,
That was Kurt Russell.
 
RedBone wrote:
"Some good background reading is "The Rift". While it has its hokey moments, its an eye-opener in terms of possible SHTF scenarios."

is this online, or a book. Link, or author's name?

I'll agree with a lot of folks here, this is a very thought provoking thread. Right now, I'm a little deficient in the long gun arena, but have some nearby friends with more long arms than they have people to lift them. We've discussed it, and they'd be willing to loan me one, if I haven't had a chance to stock up before then.

As far as a neighbor, I'd let nearly all of my current neighbors join me, but probably wouldn't let them have take a gun of mine.

If they were an active gun-grabber (as opposed to a fence sitter that had bought into the media line), I'd tell them to hit the road.

There is one person I know (not local to me) who I would have wait for a moment, while I printed up "Don't hurt me, I'm unarmed" sign for him to carry. Then I'd send him on his way. ;-)
 
Would I give him a gun? No way, I'd be too busy putting my own SHTF plans into operation to spend time teaching him how to use it.

Would I take him into my home? Probably, on a couple conditions, the first of which is that my word in my home is law. If he's not willing to do what I say, when I say it, no questions asked and no argument tolerated, then he's welcome. There will be at most one violation of this condition, and it will result in immediate ejection. He can take refuge in the safest place I can offer, if things calm down enough I'll give him a basic run-thru with a simple firearm (like a revolver) that he can use while he's here. Violation of safety rules with said weapon will result in its immediate confiscation as will unwillingness to use it if need be, I don't need me and mine shot by an ND, nor do I need said weapon taken from him because he didn't have the will to use it.

I wouldn't want to see anyone killed in such a situation if I had the ability to prevent it, but my first priority is me and mine. If he's willing to do his part in defense of my home in return for being defended in the process.
 
My primary responsibility is to my family, so I won't willingly compromise that. If I'm holing up, I won't be giving away guns or ammunition unless it is to someone that I know and would trust with a gun during "normal times", and it was truly beyond what I'd be able to use.

But in my neighborhood, no-one knows that I have guns, and that's how I intend on keeping it. If neighbor came over asking "What are you going to do?", my response would depend on how well I knew them. If a friend or acquaintence who was not gun savy came by, and I trusted them, I'd probably ask them to go home get any food-stuffs, camping gear, fuel, etc, and come back, IF they would agree to submit to my absolute sovereignty in my home.

For you who have decided to simply say F()@& Y()* to everyone outside of your immediate family.... you sound like you've already decided that might makes right, and that there is no moral responsibility to your neighbor. My prayer is that you get mucho opportunity to kill each other off before things quiet down. I don't want you in my neighborhood now, during, or after the SHTF. When an armed gang comes to your door, your neighbors will be unable or rightfully unwilling, to help you. You have chosen the low road.

About the Bible supporting both sides... that's just wrong. The strong are to defend the weak. The verse saying "those who will not work, neither let them eat" is about chosen lazyness. It's true that believers are not to feed those whom they know are without food due solely to their lazyness. It's a LONG and baseless jump to the suggestion that this teaches "Tell your neighbor to F--- Off if they come to you in need."

Richardson
 
Thank you richardson.

It's interesting how some who want to "slam the door in his face" quote Darwin, and so many of the rest quote the Bible. It illustrates the difference between a survival-of-the-fittest mentality and Christianity, which demands love for our fellow man, even if he doesn't deserve it, just as the Christian God forgives us even though we don't deserve it.

Hallelua, y'all, that's good preachin'!:neener:
 
Richardson you're disagreeing with yourself. You admit that your family is your primary resonsibility, yet you deride others who choose not to let a neighbor in who could endanger their family. Unless the person brings enough food, water, fuel, etc to support themselves for the entire time, they will be a burden. You and your family will be the ones who suffer the consequences of this and the positive side is likely to be mostly emotional. Say you've got a month worth of supplies for your family. Well, someone who believes guns are evil isn't likely to have stocked up for SHTF purposes. For the sake of ease, let's say they bring a weeks worth. Now instead of your family being able to last for a month, the two families have 2.5 weeks of supplies. Not a very good trade off if you ask me.

So it all settles down to whether or not you're willing to risk the lives and well-being of yourself and your family, to protect someone who chose not to prepare and attempted to hinder your ability to do so.
About the Bible supporting both sides... that's just wrong.
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The bible can be used to justify almost anything.
 
I don't know what kind of "anarchy" y'all are describing that could go on for "months". "Months" of chaos isn't possible without a complete collapse of the U.S. society and economic system, which would plunge the world into the dark ages. We would be invaded by any of a number of foreign powers. In a situation like that you may survive for months, or even a few short and terrible years, but your number would soon be up.
 
c_yeager, with respect, I think you're missing the point. Many of us who've posted here have said we'd invite our neighbors into our home for protection, if necessary: but we wouldn't give them firearms unless they're trained and/or experienced in their use, particularly considering the potential legal consequences. I don't think this is being heartless or inconsiderate: we're doing the best we can in a bad situation.
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And many of us DIDNT say that either. If you read my original post on this thread you will see that i responded with an almost identical suggestion. I think its pretty clear that my comment was directed at those who clearly indicated that they would simply turn them away, and laugh as they did so.
 
I am my brothers keeper. I will not give him a firearm but I will allow his family into my home. In point of fact I have prepared my supplies for just such a situation.

I have chosen to be a Christian and bad times do not allow me to change my spots. This is the The High Road and I choose to stay on it. Difficult though it may be; I am my brothers keeper! I would like to think that everyone here, when push came to shove, would protect those who cannot protect themselves.

I pray we never find ourselves in such a situation. That is my take on this question.
 
It's interesting how some who want to "slam the door in his face" quote Darwin, and so many of the rest quote the Bible. It illustrates the difference between a survival-of-the-fittest mentality and Christianity, which demands love for our fellow man, even if he doesn't deserve it, just as the Christian God forgives us even though we don't deserve it.
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After reading other responses, I will clarify: if the anti-gun neighbor is a sheeple who has bought the media line about guns but now sees the light, I'll let him in and take him under my wing. If he's a rabid anti-gunner, then I won't invite a viper into my home. Metaphorically speaking, I'd use my rifle to pick off bad guys beating him in the street, but I still wouldn't invite him into my home or arm him just so he could turn against me.
 
It depends...

Immediate neigbors are shooters.

Haven't talked to most of the others. If it came down to it, I'm not sure what I would do.

4 families are friends of my family, but liberals (2 of them have Democrat committee people). They would be welcome, provided they could get down, shut up, pull their weight and provide for themselves.

One of those has been like a second family to me. I would be willing to go out and find them, hopefully to bring them to wherever my immediate family is. That's one of the advantages of not being the dad. If I were to do that, there would still be 2 or 3 shooters at home to cover the fort.

Giving out weapons is bad juju... besides, there are just enough to go around for the family.
 
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Seems that some folks think that "The Highroad" is really "The Higher-than-Thou-Road".

Helping the less fortunate is encouraged by most religions (including Christianity) and almost universally thought of as admirable. The LESS FORTUNATE is the operative clause. That's people who CAN'T prepare or CAN'T prepare properly. That is CLEARLY NOT people who INTENTIONALLY DON'T prepare.

Putting yourself in danger to help those who have been negligent, or intentionally failed to prepare is an entirely different story. It is clear that Christianity (Matthew 25) does not obligate one in such circumstances and in fact implies that endangering your own security to help one who foolishly does not prepare is foolish.

If that's not direct enough how about II Thessalonians 3:10 "If anyone will not work, neither let him eat." Now we're beyond implications and suggestions and we have a command. If a person WON'T take care of himself you are to let him bear the consequences of his own decisions without interfering. Clearly, those who intentionally do not prepare are NOT to be a burden to those who do.

If YOU feel obligated in such a circumstance then go ahead--that's your decision--however, I think it's possible to state your opinion without impugning those who disagree.
 
Sort of a related thing: At work, we have had several instances where someone got hurt off duty and were not recieving a pay check because they were out of sick leave. In one case a guy's son was severely injured in a high school sporting event and was taken to a hospital out of town for treatment: his dad of course went with him intending to use his sick leave-but he didn't have any to use.
In these cases, we are allowed to donate OUR sick time to our brothers so they can get a paycheck and pay their bills during their illness.
Only one time did I offer to donate my sick time.
Why ?
Because while they were calling in sick to go out to the lake, or calling in sick because they met a new woman, or they called in sick to go skiing, or whatever: I sucked it up and came to work. I earned my sick time, and I have it on the books in case I get SICK. I didn't squander it so I could go out and screw around instead of coming to work. Now they want their cake and the ability to eat it too. They wanted to have the day off so they could enjoy themselves (while I went to work), and now they want to get paid on MY sick time. Forget it: you made your bed. That sick time was bargined for so you would have a backup if something like this very event happend, but you wasted it. Now it is time to pay the piper.
The only time I did donate my time was for a guy that had only been on the job a few months and hadn't accrued hardly any sick time of his own.

Before anyone jumps to conclusions, we get a lot of sick time. I have almost 2400 hours of sick time on the books. We get enough sick time that if you took it all, every year, you would be off almost 1/10 of the time not even counting your vacation time.

Maybe I am a sick person. Maybe I am heartless. Maybe I am going to burn in the fires of hell.
But, I am not going to enable someone who does stupid thing and then expects me to bail them out at my expense. (unless of course I am on duty at work-then I do it all day and night).
 
Rembrandt

Neighbors beating on my door....
....anarchy in the streets, people being raped and plundered, mass looting, buildings on fire....your liberal neighbor who has anti-gun political signs in his yard is beating on your door asking to borrow a gun....

...do you make him buy an NRA membership before loaning the gun?
...tell him to take a hike, go ask his antigun politican for help?
...have him fill out a form, and wait 5 days?
...team up, letting him be your spotter against bad guys?
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I very carefully point something handy between his eyes and tell him 'get the hell off my property, ya anti-gun dumbass'

Sorry, sometimes the non-High road is far more satisfying.
 
It really depends on my relationship with that neighbor besides the issue of firearms. Several of my neighbors are fairly antigun, but dont hassle me about my shooting, and actually are very nice people(just misguided on firearms). Their welcome to come over in such a situation but I will not be arming them. A few other neighbors are antigun(or maybe antimilitary, Im not sure), and glare at me everytime I leave my home. I say hi or wave, and they continue to stare and mutter as I walk to my truck. Its even worse If im headed off to the range. So if they have been evil sobs for years, and I cant trust them under normal circumstances, there is no way I will entrust a firearm or the security of my family to thier ilk. A different category of people would be non firearm owners that I work with, and I ahve taken shooting before. Many of them would be entrusted with sks and other milsurps, and could be used in defense of the neighbor hood. Also a few of my neighbors are progun or ex military and I would also help arm them if they were joining in a co defense of our families. You cant stay awake forever, and allies you can trust is definitly a boon. The question is do you trust some or all of your neighbors, or in some cases none at all. To me it is two different issues, do I let them into my home and look after them, and can I arm them to help defend the home and family.
 
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I guess I'll answer the question asked. My answer is "None of the above." It is illegal in my state and stupid in all states to lend a gun to such a person. I wouldn't want him as a spotter because I wouldn't trust his judgment.

As far as inviting him in, I suppose I would worry about that when he asked. Does he have a family? If he is the kind of guy who puts signs on his lawn telling everyone else what to do (and wrongly, by the way), is he someone who could live peaceably with others in a tense situation?

If he is in immediate danger, then you probably have targets you should be engaging. If not, what is the issue? He may just be overreacting to another of his strange fears of the world around him.

Need more details on this hypothetical.
 
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