Parents Say I am Not Welcome Thanksgiving Because I have Guns.. What To Do??

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As if my life isn't hard enough, working like 12-13 hours a day trying to keep a small, struggling business alive, now I have had some fallout with my parents. Well, I already had a bit of animosity with my mother, since she is a die-hard liberal who voted for Obama and supports gun control, whereas I am conservative and voted for the other guy (sorry to you guys here who don't like him). However, out of love, I was willing to overlook that and not get political with her.

I am a guy in my mid-30s and my parents are in their 60s, just to give you an overview of the situation; I'm not a kid visiting from college or anything. Anyhow, being the die-hard RKBA/pro-2A person that I am, I will never cave-in to demands unless I absolutely have to when it comes to compromising my gun rights. Well, I've been busy and my parents told me they want me to come visit during the holidays. Every Thanksgiving they come to visit me or I go to visit them and see my brothers who come and visit as well. Anyhow, even though I didn't want to go visit, because I am so busy with work, out of love and respect for them I said I would come and stay with them for Thanksgiving and be with the family. Well, my parents know that I am pro-gun and own and carry guns. I've stayed with them several times and they never gave me any trouble and nothing ever happened. Yes, I had my gun with me and nobody thought about it and I slept with it by my bedside.

Well, for some reason now, my father, who is always submissive to my mother, said that my mother does not allow guns in the house. I told them that I am against gun-control and think their way of thinking is bad. Then my father gives me the anti-gun speech about how I don't really need a gun and that I am more likely to shoot myself. I told him I rather get shot and have a chance to defend myself then live my life as helpless and at the mercy of evildoers. Considering, he is a Vietnam Veteran, I was hoping he would have more respect for this, but he changed over the years. Then, after the gun control debate we got into, he starts telling me how my mother absolutely doesn't want any guns in house. That they are afraid of guns, etc etc. I said I always carry my gun with me and loaded at all times and that I would be willing to compromise by keeping them unloaded in the house, but the magazine with me, so if I needed to load up, I could. My father said my mother would not accept that either and that my guns must remain in the car or garage.

My father said I must respect his rules. I said I don't respect them, but I accept them and won't come over. I told him, that you asked me to come, so you will have to respect that I do not travel or sleep anywhere without my firearm near me. Then I became miserable and said that I don't respect how you support gun control and that you want to prevent me from being allowed to defend myself and those I love. I went on to tell him how he has been brainwashed by media and government and that he is taught being weak and helpless and waiting for the police is the best approach. I asked him about all our relatives in Belarus during WWII who were forced to be unarmed and then forced to dig their own graves before they and their children were shot dead and buried. None of this, seemed to matter. He says nobody he knows ever carried a gun and that he doesn't have guns and nothing happened to him. I said, "those are famous last words."


Well, I saw it wasn't going anywhere. I said, NO, I will not come over Thanksgiving. My father said he would put me up in a hotel. I told him, No Thanks. I don't like being treated like a criminal and that I don't want him to spend the money. I, myself, have a lot of work and I am hurting financially, so it would only have been time lost from work. I will feel sad not to see my family Thanksgiving, but the whole treatment I received felt wrong and I know my parents are supporting the gun control mindset that is wrecking havoc on the country. The fact my mother is a die-hard liberal , just adds salt to the wounds. Yeah, I am pissed about the election and her championing OBama + her demands of gun control over me, makes me no longer want to see my family on the holidays. I guess I will stick to cards or they can come visit me.

Anyhow, I'd appreciate to hear stories and advice from other people here who have been in a similar situation. I know many people here had parents who were pro-gun and took them hunting, sadly, I was not one of those people. I got into guns later in life and come from a family background that is very liberal and naive. I, myself, am the black sheep and transformed into a totally different creature from the rest of my family and relatives over the years. Did I handle things wrong? Am I a horrible son? I love my parents very much, but considering I am a hard-worker, who helps keep my fathers business alive and that I am a law-abiding citizen, I hated the feeling of being a criminal. The whole anti-gun mentality, especially right after election day, has given me a sour feeling in my stomach I could not digest.

And for a consensus, what would you do in this situation? Would you carry anyway and not tell your parents? Would you come and be a good boy and leave your guns in the car or garage unloaded and cased so you cannot get them if you need them? Would you do what I did and say, I won't come?

Why does life have to be so difficult.. Now, I have to call my brother in San Francisco and tell him I won't be seeing him Thanksgiving after he was looking so forward to seeing me after 2 years. :(
 
Their house. Their rules. Obey and respect them and don't let politics drive a wedge between you. One day they will be gone.
 
As someone who essentially doesn't have a father, and lived without his mother for about a third of his life..... ( now on the mends, and its awesome)....

Put your gun in the trunk, and eat some turkey.


Life goes on. Days go by.

Do not let your beliefs- regardless of how strong they are- deprive you of true family, or you will realize your folly only when its too late.

If they wouldn't let you come because you owned them- that'd be different.

Their house, their rules.

Turkey is delicious. Pie with family is not to be missed.
 
My parents are not hard core anti like yours but I wouldn't call them gun friendly either. They just respect my decision to carry everywhere I go. I'd say just leave the gun in the car locked safe.
I never leave mine in the car and I keep my car in my garage. In this case I'd just be the adult in this situation and enjoy the holiday. They aren't getting younger and you should enjoy them while
you still can. Good luck with your decision.
 
I don't have a similar story, but I do have an opinion.

Honor your parents. If you do, it will go well with you and you will have a long life.

Leave the gun in the car and have thanksgiving. I think you are right about RKBA, but the risk you are taking by not being armed is less than the damage of broken relationships with your family.
 
Save your money and stay home. Cook a turkey in a baking bag and call it a day.

One must respect their parents, even if from a distance.

If I were in the same boat, I would take my own advice.

As a trainer, coach, and Armed Professional, I have noticed I have no anti-gun friends. Their choice, not mine.

If asked to a friends home sans carry arm, I will respectfully tell them that I have other plans.

If they do not have the common sense to be able to defend themselves, and want to put me in the same boat, that is on them.
 
I hate to have to say this but it’s your parents’ home, and you, if you went, would be a guest in their home. Either respect their wishes or don’t go. It sounds as if your father made a very generous offer to pay for a hotel room for you, so why not take him up on it. If you feel that the area you are going to be staying in is so dangerous, and most aren’t, that you have to have a weapon with you, simply keep it in your hotel room when you are there and transport it in your car to your parents’ home, leaving it in the car when you get there.

I understand your feelings regarding your R.T.K.A.B A. But do you really want to let that spoil a chance to spend time with your family?

I wish you the best whatever you decide to do.
 
I would probably leave the loaded gun in the car.

If you can't lock the gun in the car (locking glove box, in car safe, etc), then you ought to be getting something to let you do that.
 
While I agree with the "their house, their rules" posts, and I fully understand where you're coming from financially, I'm going to be the one to say it since I highly doubt anyone else will - (ETA: Didn't see John Wall's post because I was typing mine at the time - Great minds think alike!)

Do what makes you feel happy, safe and secure.
If that means skipping thanksgiving with the family, so be it. Maybe it'll have enough of an impact on them to compromise next year. Make sure you explain to them that while you respect their rules enough not to bring your gun around them, your gun goes where you go.

My in-laws are somewhat liberal and mildly anti-gun. All it took was me telling them that my children will not go anywhere without me there, and I don't go anywhere without my pistol (legally carried of course) for them to agree to disagree and simply ignore the issue. Some things are more important than hurt feelings, and I believe that the right and ability to adequately defend yourself and your family is one of those things. Living to see another day should the worst happen is much more important than some bruised egos.

I'm sure that your mother will realize that having you around during the holidays is more important than her irrational fear of inanimate objects, and that it can be overlooked for a day or three every year, especially since she's drawing near the end of her years.

That being said, I left home at 16, have very strained relationships with my immediate family, and very few close personal attachments beyond my children. I'm probably not the best person to be giving advice of this nature :)

I'd go with what Warp said.
 
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"Always toward better things" is my general life philosophy.

Define the current state of things, and the specific problem. Identify where you want things to be. Take steps to get you there.


When faced with a similar dilemma in the past, I determined that 1) caving would only validate a method that I consider distasteful, and 2) it is better to confront things directly, with gentle conviction. I discussed the issue with my parents, and listened to them. We were able to come to an understanding, and they gained a new level of respect for me. Not only am I now welcome to carry there... My parents recently decided to buy an XDm and an M&P.

Communication is crucial. Seek out conversation, and remain focused on a positive outcome. Do not respond in anger or frustration.




Bleh. I'm too tired to make sense.
 
Some interesting posts . I would also honor your parents wishes, but by staying home - that is me. You must do what you feel is right.

I have a family member (not parent) who has the same house rules. I have not been to their home , nor will I go . So I guess I am agreeing that you have the right to live by your rules ,just as they have.

I see no need for it to be an issue that would distroy the relationship. There are other ways to do things that can be acceptable to both.
 
Just don't go. Not the end of the world. I haven't spent Thanksgiving with anyone else--let alone relatives--for fifteen years now. It's a pretty foolish holiday as holidays go. People make way too much of these things and in my experience they're only occasions for argument and recriminations. Yours is an excellent case in point.

Or you can offer a compromise and bring a katana. Cut the turkey with it!
 
I am 63, or is it 64? My stepfather pulled the same thing on me once. He wasn't really anti-gun, just anti-stepson. :) I left my gun off one time and I felt so intimidated by it, I stopped going to his house. His house, his rules and I honored them once. I never did again. He is gone now and my mother is of a different mindset.

i personally would stay home and let them know why. If it was important enough to have the whole family together, they would not have approached the subject to start with. I'm sorry if this sounds hard, but I am an my own person with strong convictions.
 
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They gave you a tough pill to swallow. Now you have to decide whether to be hurt by the fact that they would rather not see you than let you come over with your gun and the principles that go along with it; or to just decide to let go of it and go anyway. If you hold your ground, they may eventually decide that their agenda isn't worth your absence and this will be water under the bridge. If you cave in, this will be a sore spot every time you think of it, and it will be expected of you every time you go.

I can't imagine my folks telling me I wasn't responsible enough to have a gun and they don't trust me with one. I don't really know how I would react. Maybe given your circumstances about not wanting to miss work and then this on top of it, I might just tell my folks, "I think I'll have to skip this year. Partly because my welcome has been made awkward by your demands and dis-trust, but also because I am swamped with work and strapped for cash. No hard feelings, but I don't want to create tensions at the Thanksgiving table and maybe things will cool off some and I can visit next year." I would feel some guilt in saying this, but then again, they are the ones who put restrictions on your "welcome". If you think this will cause a big enough problem that it drives a wedge in your family, then just let it die and go for a visit. It's not worth going to the "not-speaking" stage over it. You only get one family in this life and it is lonely when you realize they are gone.
 
I have some of the most conservative and most liberal folks within my family. I mean, it's amazing they all haven't killed each other by now. My mom is a bit on the liberal anti-gun side, but not too far off of the middle. My dad is on the conservative side, but has always had a pretty neutral stance on guns (he doesn't like them, but still bought me my first gun when I wanted to go hunting with my friends as a kid). My extended family goes to the extremes, with aunts, uncles, cousins, and grandparents filling in every conceivable nut-job belief possible.

Honestly, even I have to act a bit differently with my guns around my parent's house. When I'm in my own home (where I have no children), I often take the gun off my belt and leave it on the table while I'm going about my business in the house (it's just convenient that way). When I'm at their house (also with no children anymore) I try to refrain from that type of behavior because it makes my mom uncomfortable. When I go across the country for visits I try not to stir the pot, because it doesn't really accomplish anything useful.

I just got back from my brother's wedding a couple of weeks ago. He's a NYC liberal these days, but doesn't have any real strong feelings pro/against guns. Many of his friends and my extended family at that event were VERY anti-gun, and a few were VERY pro-gun.

What's the solution? I can't speak for you, but I do think family matters above politics. Perhaps it would be better to bury the hatchet on this one, and find a way to make it work. Leave you gun in the car, or get a hotel room while you're home. Sure, I understand the principle you are trying to stand on, and I understand you want to have your gun with you. But, unless you live in Libya, there's probably a 99.9999% chance you'll make it through the Thanksgiving visit without having to use your gun... it would be better to maintain a family relationship than it would be to lose one on the basis of political differences.

Your parents won't be around forever, it's just a fact of life. I'm your age, and my parents are the age of your parents. Over time my political beliefs have deviated from that of my parents, but I still value them for a whole host of different reasons. Your mileage may vary. Sorry the situation sucks for you with them!

Here's an approach I'd try with my parents, just because I'm that type:

"I'll keep my gun in the car for you, mom, but you need to agree to let me take you to the local range at least one time, just to show you how safe guns really are to handle. I'll try it your way, will you try it mine?"

Remember, a gun is just a tool. You don't need to feel insecure if you don't have it with you for a couple of days, especially if you know it's waiting for you in the driveway whenever you go out for the day. Thanksgiving itself may or may not matter to you. I work in law enforcement, so my holiday schedule has been screwed up for many years now. But, family matters, and it sounds like you live a long distance from your family (as I do). It's kind of hard to justify blowing off rare family time for the sake of carrying a gun in their house against their wishes.


With all of that said, you know your parents better than any of us. Maybe they'll cave? Maybe they won't? Maybe it is more important to them to have you there than it is to win on this issue? Maybe it is more important to you?
 
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Similar situation to yours. My parents are anti-gun but not enough to keep me out of their house on holiday. While they don't lay down the no firearm rule I am unarmed around them out of respect for them.

My advice: Go unarmed to appease your parents. If you are that against going unarmed for whatever reason, carry something very small in either a pocket or ankle holster so it is harder to detect. All in all its a crappy situation having to decide between your principles and your parents.
 
So, wait. This is for, what, a weekend?

Your parents gave you life. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars over your life to raise you and took years off of theirs stressing about your well being.

This political/philosophical spat means nothing in the face of that.

Respect your parents above all else. Going to Thanksgiving unarmed is the smallest possible way you could do this.

I would be unable to look at myself in a mirror if I behaved the way you are contemplating.

You can live your life as an adult any way you see fit. You can even tell your parents about your lifestyle choices.

Be a Man and show up for Thanksgiving unarmed. Honor your family. Take some pictures.

I have three children and if they behaved like what you are suggesting as an adult I would be ashamed of myself because I would have failed as a parent.

Some people would throw their guns into a smelter to be able to spend one more holiday with their family...

Have some perspective.

edited: removed most of the content because it was not very 'high road'.
 
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