Pretty sure I got a frivolous ticket because I was carrying...

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Most who fight tickets for 'flippin' the bird' usually get it dropped.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

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In Texas, it's not.

So has ruled the State Court of Appeals.

But, they'll still try to get him to plead guilty unless he can show he knows the law.


http://www.3rdcoa.courts.state.tx.us...pinionID=12238
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^^^Thats what I was talkin about... but too lazy to look for. -- I was always told that it's not a breach of the peace because the average person wouldn't breach the peace if given a middle finger
 
Or do this...

I live in Seattle, one of that all-time worst driver areas in the country (trust me; I've lived all over, and still drive all over the nation). I've gotten tired of the insane things people do on the road, only made worse by their obsession with mobile phones, eating, kids, and anything else but driving while behind the wheel.

So, instead of the middle finger I usually smile like a maniac as I pass them doing their stupid thing and give them a big thumbs up. I think at that point they either realize they did something stupid or they're too stupid to know otherwise, at which point any gesture or reaction is meaningless. Hopefully I won't get a ticket for being goofy; I know I can't use my horn to signal anything other than imminent death.

The last two fingers I've gotten while driving were from women old enough to be grandmothers. Somehow I don't think they have to worry about getting tickets. Or perhaps I should have called the police? And before anyone asks, the fingers were for quickly flashing my brights behind them as they were in the far left lane on the freeway, going slower than any of the other lanes. I guess they don't like that procedure. Might have to do with the fact that they were driving cars that cost more than $100k; ah yes, the land of entitlement...
 
I obviously worded it wrong. I didn't mean all people flip fingers or yell, I meant it was one of things that irritate us all, whether we act on it or not. But Im not gonna put this on my record when he flat out let her go for impeding traffice and tickets me. As some have said, he may have done it for a lesson and figures/knows it will be dropped if I fight it. And the cop said he saw me. I didnt yell or anything, just flashed it quick and went on my way.
 
Stupid people behind the wheel need to get flipped-off. It's a lot easier than trying to yell at them.
 
The last time I got flipped off on the road was by some jerk who tailgated me for several miles. He apparently didn't like my response to being tailgated which is to slow down to a speed that makes the distance between our vehicles a safe one. And since he was only about 2 feet off my bumper that was quite slow. Calling the police just didn't occur to me.
 
+1

"Stupid people behind the wheel need to get flipped-off. It's a lot easier than trying to yell at them."

After all I'm just trying to communicate here! :neener:
 
FourTeeFive said:
...And before anyone asks, the fingers were for quickly flashing my brights behind them as they were in the far left lane on the freeway, going slower than any of the other lanes.
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I don't have that problem anymore, even when I drive in Seattle. Well, not since I bought this:

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I am sure that if you make up some excuse that the middle finger salute is part of your religion than you could get away with it.
 
I'm disappointed at the amount of people who think it is ok to flip people off. Some high road..... :rolleyes:

To the OP. You were wrong. Now man up and pay the fine. You sound like you deserve a ticket and I'm glad the cop gave it to you.

You are whining because the woman didn't get a ticket too? Maybe she was lost or new to the area and didn't know the rules of the road where you live. Have you never driven anyplace new and not known the rules or been lost? Does it make you feel good when the locals curse you for this?

You were man enough to flip off a woman. Now man up and pay the ticket.

Oh and btw. This sounds like it has nothing to do with the fact you had a gun. Why would you think that? He intended to give you a ticket when he pulled you over. He didn't know at that time you had a gun. Just another excuse for whining again? Just trying to pretend this is a gun issue to get gun people on your side 'cause the man is getting you down? :rolleyes:
 
He didn't know at that time you had a gun.
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I think all a cop has to do is run your plates and he will be alerted if you have a CHL. So he could have known before he pulled him over. But I imagine he decided to pull him over before he knew.
 
Brad Johnson said:
Right up to the point where they cuff you for impersonating a police officer...
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What in the world would make you think that? Driving a Crown Vic P71 does not equal impersonating a police officer. After all, they sell them at public auction.
 
I think many people are overlooking Texas culture and how it influenced this event.

My family has been here since the 1830s and Texans are raised to be respectful, mannerly, Christian folk. That is how every family is raised who has roots originally in Texas.

If you do things differently where you're from, then fine. But if you bring that behavior here, which is considered coarse and rude to original Texans, then expect no favorable treatment. The law has always been bent a little here, and favoritism is certainly shown to those who "deserve" it, and the law is applied with force to those who do not.

I have noticed in the last year or two (especially while living in Austin with everyone from around the country moving here now because it's so popular), that there are many "foreigners" moving here who do not have the strong, respectful and friendly Texas attitude. I just hope everyone who is here in Texas remembers what made Texas strong in the first place, and will ensure that those ideals and values will be passed on to the next generation.
 
Oh I forgot to add you should have flashed the shocker at her instead she probably wouldn't have recognized it as a rude gesture.
 
What in the world would make you think that? Driving a Crown Vic P71 does not equal impersonating a police officer. After all, they sell them at public auction.
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I wasn't talking about the car. Didn't read the quote, didja?

Brad
 
Brad Johnson said:
The quote. Go back and read the quote.

Brad
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Oh, ok. Seriously, some people think it's illegal to drive a police interceptor.

No, I would never carry one of those asinine badges.
 
Wow. I must say that I'm really shocked at this thread.

Are we at our best when we are flipping someone off, no. Should we be sitting on our high horse acting like this guy committed a crime against humanity, hell no.

We are all human and we all make mistakes. That said, I don't buy for a single instance that because someone is carrying that they must act like a wall flower. Thats just a load of horse puckey. Because I honk or flip off some idiot who almost just caused an accident HAS NO BEARING on anything regarding CCW. I set a higher standard by NOT driving like a jackass or causing accidents or doing the myriad of stupid things that idiots do. This about the most fallacious argument I've see here yet, so lets let that die.

As far as the act itself, giving someone the finger ISN'T against the law. As always you can find any judge who will give any ruling, but under a correct interpretation of the law, extending your middle finger does NOT incite an immediate breach of the peace, nor should it.

This may be the high road, but that doesn't mean we should all ride on the high horse. There was nothing illegal here, nor anything dangerous or unsafe from a carry point of view. This is all that can and should be demanded from gun owners, and there is no reason to jump on anyone that abides by these rules.
 
Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place;

Just have to shake my head at this...by definition, my digestive system works "by chemical means". Based upon this, I have certainly been guilty of "Disorderly Conduct" on multiple occasions (although never charged, as yet...) :rolleyes:
 
Well Orionengr before this gets locked I'd like to say that if you're like some of my friends you SHOULD have been charged.
 
I respectfully disagree with some of your statements.

Because I honk or flip off some idiot who almost just caused an accident HAS NO BEARING on anything regarding CCW.
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Maybe where you are from. But in Texas, this is not true. It may not spelled out by law, but I believe that in Texas the police and grand juries weigh your actions either in a positive or negative light prior to an incident where a CCW/CHL was used or present.

To further illustrate my point about the Texas culture not accepting this, 1) the policeman didn't agree with the behavior especially in light that the person held a CHL, 2) my CHL class in Texas (and I suspect others) taught me that you are held to a higher standard of conduct once you legally carry, because you cannot be perceived as the aggressor in a conflict if you wind up in court, 3) I think most Texas CHLs will disagree with that statement as well. On http://texaschlforum.com , the commonly held belief is to act rationally and defuse an otherwise explosive situation.

Should we be sitting on our high horse acting like this guy committed a crime against humanity, hell no.
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I haven't seen anyone doing that yet. I am guilty of much worse in my past when I was young and rowdy, believe me. It is a situation worth discussing, I believe.
 
carrying is an inherent right, not a privilege granted us by a magic piece of plastic from the state of Texas. It might not help the RKBA case if people who have CHLs are rude, but it's a right not a special privilege we only bestow on the meek and perfect. You don't lose your right to freedom of speech, Mirand rights, or RKBA for being rude. A right has to be preserved for everybody, even people we don't feel sympathetic towards.
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Bravo. Couldn't have said it better. When I'm wearing a gun I don't "become Mr. Perfect." Never will I allow the riff-raff out of the Detroit area to think they have found an easy mark. Do that around here and you invite the criminal element to prey on what they think is the weak. I'd rather it wouldn't take place at all, rather than them getting a big surprise, and me spending the next several years in the courts.
 
When I'm wearing a gun I don't "become Mr. Perfect."
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Correct. But conversely it does not grant free license to act outside the bounds of laws and cultural mores either.
 
a ticket for disorderly conduct that he (the cop) did not witness?!

***?! over...

what state allows that?

i know you can be "given" a ticket for anything, but by statute i'd like to see where this charge can be filed by a cop based on a third party testimony only.
 
what was your attitude towards the officer, where you kind, polite, and courtious, or did you have an attitude that you did nothing wrong and your s@#$ doesn't stink just curious that will determine whether you got a ticket or not. I don't know about texas law, but how could an officer give you a ticket for somthing he didn't see you do? think about it
 
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