I wish he'd cite an actual time using a concealed carry holster, hands at dudes start.
Like I told you before, whenever you're ready to buy me a timer, I'll get one.
If one cocks the hammer when trouble is noted, then one is going into a stressful situation with a hair trigger (the short trigger pull of a single action at about 5 lbs. is a hair trigger in a life or death situation).
By your definition a 1911 is equally unsafe. Couple points. If you draw your weapon, the decision is already made to shoot. You are also not required to place your finger on the trigger just because the hammer is cocked.
It doesn't matter. The fundamentals of shooting are the same for mouse and full power loads.
Exactly! Obviously, a sixgun firing heavier loads is going to have more recoil. That doesn't change what has to be done to fire those shots. Nor is the DA or autoloader exempt from this phenomenon called recoil. That is a weak argument. Again, the arguer is assuming equal time with other platforms.
I'd like to see how 10 skilled SA guys compare with 10 skilled DA revolver or semi-auto guys for speed to the first shot using concealable holsters, hands at sides start.
The magic is in the grip configuration, not the low slung fast draw type holsters used in that sport.
Shot to shot time ONE HANDED won't favor the SA.
Why, because you can't do it fast?
I don't dismiss the SA revolver as a viable handgun, but ya gots ta know its limitations.
I think we're all well aware of its limitations.
Then your compatriots need to stop spouting the SA revolver is fastest to the first shot.
Prove it wrong.
But it means your muzzle is coming off target more, and you are working harder between shots to reacquire your sight picture.
All of which is done while the hammer is being cocked. Autos and DA's don't recoil???
You also have to let the gun slide back down in your hand after it rolls up, which means your grip is constantly shifting from recoil and thumb cocking.
If you think a single action is supposed to be sliding around in your hand while you're shooting it, you're doing it wrong and should be doing more reading in this thread than responding. More rhetoric from those who don't know.
I can't recall hearing one serious lawman in their prime from the turn of the century who didn't make the switch from SA to DA or auto in their fighting handgun, even if they were already proficient with SA's.
You don't know your history then. Google Tom Threepersons.
So why put your money on the 20 year old car instead of training with the newer, more competitive car in the garage?
If I HAD to spend the time I spend with SA's with Glocks or DA's, I wouldn't shoot at all. If that stuff appeals to you, you won't have to fight me at the counter for them. Fact is, all this training for combat is spending a lot of time preparing for something that will probably never happen. Life's too short and time is too precious for me to spend it any other way. I suggest you do the same.
I learned quite a bit about you when you stated you would not take the time to learn to operate another platform and do not carry a reload. The first means you will not spend two days at a defensive handgun course. The second is inexcusable and shows you are not serious about personal defense. It sounds like you have good handgun shooting skills, so the course would merely teach you the differences.
You make a great many stupid assumptions and apparently don't read very well.
If many experienced trainers are telling us to carry a reload, then maybe there is a reason that has nothing to do with stats and studies.
"Experienced trainers" are humans with opinions. IMHO, there is far too much opinion spouted without supporting fact. Take the oft-repeated Ayoob stance on handloads for self defense. It's been repeated and pass around so many times, people believe absolutely that if you use handloads in a legal shooting that you will be burned at the stake. However, if we engage our brains and actually study this, there is ZERO supporting evidence supporting the claim. It is 100% theory that it 'might' be used against you. So I really don't give a damn who says I should carry a reload. I'm not going to take anything as gospel without asking "why?".
Yes, you are in that respect.
Then I will kindly tell you to pound sand. Rather than making a bunch of stupid, offensive assumptions you just as easily could've asked a question. You did not.
Everything is a compromise. If we prepared ourselves for the worst possible outcome, we'd all be wearing body armor and carrying AR's. That is not practical on a daily basis. No, we must decide for ourselves how "prepared" we want to be and we must balance that need with every day concerns of concealability and comfort. Some folks don't feel comfortable leaving the house without two guns and 100rds. I'm not one of them. If you were to ask me why I don't usually carry a reload I would tell you I do not think it's necessary. Statistically, an individual is HIGHLY unlikely to ever need their carry weapon and the odds that they will need a reload are exponentially lower. If you want to prepare the absolutely least likely situation, that is your choice. But you will NOT lay offensive comments at my feet because I do not agree with you. You're not as smart as you think you are and with that, I'm done with this argument.