Semi-auto rifle for home defense

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Thanks for feedback. Have you been able to get any more mags, and where is a good place to order. The Sig store is not even showing that they advertise them for the last five or six days.
I'm gonna order a RDS this week, and still undecided on which model to get. The Streamlight laser/light worked pretty accurate on a body target at 75' ft. with quick shots for my first range session with the MPX and Federal 115 gr. I'm carrying it in a 5.11 covert box pack, a really neat backpack.
 
Woolecox
Thanks for feedback. Have you been able to get any more mags, and where is a good place to order. The Sig store is not even showing that they advertise them for the last five or six days.
I'm gonna order a RDS this week, and still undecided on which model to get. The Streamlight laser/light worked pretty accurate on a body target at 75' ft. with quick shots for my first range session with the MPX and Federal 115 gr. I'm carrying it in a 5.11 covert box pack, a really neat backpack.

The gun came with a coupon to get a 3x30 mag deal with a carrier. $130 for three. I called the number (Sig sales) and put them on back order. The only others I have found are on Gunbroker and guys are asking nearly $100 each. I will just wait it out. I ordered the stock and the sling pack with plate carrier then as well.

Sig says they underestimated the demand for these things. I have been drooling over one with every issue of the American Rifleman. I figured it would be years before they were available to the public.

Looks like a lot of guys (and agencies) are running the Aimpoint T-1 Micro. I like those and have a Comp M-4 on my Colt. The EOTech look a little better to my aging eyes. I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

I have not bought a light for it yet. I did switch my Streamlight over to the MPX and it is a nice fit. Probably with go will he laser model. Why not? Good stuff.
 
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why would you even want a two handed weapon with no place to hide, that you cant have conveniently at arms reach or be able to aim with one hand while youre laying in bed..

What? I keep a rifle leaning against the headboard and it is most definitely within arms reach. Hiding? Who the hell cares about hiding a gun in my own bedroom when I'm home? I don't want my gun hidden I want it ready to use.

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not to mention the permanent ear damage that will come firing a 5.56 rifle indoors... a subsonic pistol makes a lot better choice

I really don't give a second thought to hearing damage. If I need to defend my life, I'm not at all worried about my hearing. I'm worried about my 6 kids, my wife, and my life. To hell with my hearing.

Besides, auditory exclusion with adrenaline rush means you won't even notice the shots at the time you are shooting - you'll get some tinnitus later for sure but it's not going to affect your 'performance'.

As far as the "pistol makes a better choice" I flat out call bull.

If I *know* I'm going to be in a gunfight I'm not taking a pistol. If I'm getting ready for bed and placing out a gun to use for self defense at night, well, I've set the stage; I can choose a rifle or pistol. Why, given the choice, would I bring a pistol, when I could bring a rifle?

Moreover, ammunition capacity.

A neighbor of ours was hit 3 years ago in the early morning by *five* armed gangbangers from Peoria, IL. The crew was targeting rural homes because they knew the response time of the cops was so horrible. They were going after guns.

Five on 1 odds with a handgun, man, that's pretty crappy. My Glock 19 gives me 15 rounds, which is only 3 rounds per bad guy in that 5:1 scenario.

My PS90 night-time companion, gives me *50* rounds in the magazine. That's 10 rounds per bad guy in the same scenario. :)

Muzzle flash is nonexistant, noise isn't bad, overpenetration isn't a big concern (remember I have 8 people, 2 dogs, and a few cats in this house I'd rather not send a bullet through). It's such a compact rifle it's much easier to handle than an AR - even entirely one handed - at night. You can shoot it one handed and still keep a shoulder weld while opening doors or moving something out of your way. Ammo is comparable in cost to most other handguns or rifles. It's incredibly reliable and shoots very clean. In a pinch, you can even shoot it long range. I actually used mine with factory optics to win a 200 yard high power match a few years ago, and I'm completely comfortable taking 300 yard shots with it.

What I kept by the bed before the PS90?

It's changed over the years. When I lived alone, I kept a folding stock AK-47 next to the bed. When I travel, just the handgun on the night stand. etc.


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I apologize for not updating what I got sooner but I had a lot of thinking to do I decided on a Colt 6920 with some extra mags and a bunch of ammunition to practice with. I may get other stuff later but I wanted to brush up on my skills a bit first. I wanted to thank everyone for their input and I'm sure I'll post some updates somewhere to let you know about the fun I am having !!!

Solid choice! Get lots of practice until you can run it without thinking about what you're doing. Need to build the muscle memory.
 
Yes, I know they get used in MN, and here in WI. My son plans on hunting with his this fall. And sure, there are some dandy lubricants out there, (I really like TW-25B) but in 1981 in the MN Natl. Guard, the lube was LSA, which will gum up an M16A1 fast.
Is .223 legal for deer in MN now? It wasn't when I last lived there. (1993)
Yes Entrophy the .223 has been available for several years. I started useing an AR when recovering from shoulder surgery. I was concerned about performance as I used to prefer a 30-06. I was very impressed with the wounds it makes. Turns lungs and hearts to mush and pretty quick kills even on 250 lb deer. Of course shot placement is always key.
This year they have opened up legal arms to include most centerfires .22 and up.
 
I'd have to second the Daniel Defense suggestion. You can have the DDM4 built your way or buy a completed rifle. My DDM4V11 (15" keymod rail) can be bought for less than $1400 delivered if you look around.
 
Anyone picking a shotgun better set up some fullsized targets and filled 2 liters.

My shotgun patterns outside a fullsized target at 25 yards. So I have misses flying away, even at close range. And apparently, I'm faster at wiping out the 2 liters with a carbine. The shotgun isn't always the right choice. We never thought we would miss a simple 2 liter with a shotgun at an easy 25 yards, and then hit it more readily with a carbine.

We even went as far as trying a goofy 3 gun event, as a 2 gun event. You had the choice to run the entire course with your carbine or shotgun, except for the pistol stage. Or you could still run 3 guns. Was enlightening to see, and compare.
 
Anyone picking a shotgun better set up some fullsized targets and filled 2 liters.

My shotgun patterns outside a fullsized target at 25 yards. So I have misses flying away, even at close range. And apparently, I'm faster at wiping out the 2 liters with a carbine. The shotgun isn't always the right choice. We never thought we would miss a simple 2 liter with a shotgun at an easy 25 yards, and then hit it more readily with a carbine.

We even went as far as trying a goofy 3 gun event, as a 2 gun event. You had the choice to run the entire course with your carbine or shotgun, except for the pistol stage. Or you could still run 3 guns. Was enlightening to see, and compare.

25 yards doesn't really seem all that applicable to home defense for most people, though.

There is always the possibility of needing the firearm outdoors, and of course some people live more in the country or on land or with livestock etc etc than others, but for for straight "home defense"...as big of a fan as I am of the rifle...I don't know that buckshot patterns at 25 yards are wholly relevant.


Also, my shotgun (former go-to home defense long gun), with my defensive buckshot, puts every pellet inside of a standard torso target at 25 yards. Federal LE132-1B
 
I'd buy a semi auto or pump 12 gauge. Hey maybe a street sweeper if they still make it.
Seriously inside a house a 12 gauge will git er dun! A rifle with fmj might just get more done than you intended.
 
I'd buy a semi auto or pump 12 gauge. Hey maybe a street sweeper if they still make it.
Seriously inside a house a 12 gauge will git er dun! A rifle with fmj might just get more done than you intended.

Please stop spreading this misinformation. For a semi auto centerfire home defense rifle almost everybody selects a .223/5.56, which is excellent for that job and doesn't get any more done, in the sense you are implying, than a shotgun.
 
"Hey maybe a street sweeper if they still make it."
Those stupid things were quite literally the worst shotgun design ever conceived that wasn't actively dangerous. They were cheap and had an edgy name, and that was it. That they turned them into an even more idiotic 45-70 'ladies' companion' when the ATF even more moronically shut them down goes to show how little regard they had for making effective products vs quick cash.

TCB
 
I would not go the AR route. Mine have been too finicky. I do feel confident holding my own in my home with my Saiga 12 and a couple of 20 round drum's filled with high base 00 Buck. I also like Mossberg 500 shotgun's as I have had no problems with mine.

YMMV
 
Crawfish,

Thanks for sharing that you'd experienced issues with your AR in the past. Out of curiosity, what kind of issues did you encounter? Do you recall the maker of the AR, type of magazines, and ammo?

Not trying to pry, I just like hearing of others experiences (good and bad) so that I can learn from them. Fortunately, I've had positive experiences with ARs, at least to this point.
 
One is a Radical Arms 8.5" 300 black out. As sold by Primary Arms.

The other is a piece together parts gun in .300 BLK as well. The piece together gun has a $250.00 BCG and a no name brand upper. When I built it I thought the BCG was the critical part for smooth operation so I spent the money there.


I had nothing but problems with the parts gun and figured well maybe it's just because it was built by me. So I bought the Radical Arms after seeing the good reviews. Same thing maybe get a 150 rounds through it after cleaning then the problems start. Jam after jam ..... It's like they get dirty so fast they just lock up. Mags are Lancer and Magpul. Ammo is 220 grn SMK / 247 grn MBC.


Maybe it's because I shoot subsonic suppressed ?


None of the other guns I own and shoot suppressed have ever given me trouble like those AR's I own. I can't tell you how much I wanted them to work.

Lot's of guys like em and that's fine but truth be told when I go somewhere where I feel I need a carbine the WASR comes with me and the AR's stay home.
 
Having had the misfortune of a weapon being fired in close quarters with no hearing protection on two occasions (once was a 12 gauge in a vehicle, once a 5.56 in a house), I can tell you that you will completely lose you hearing temporarily.
My experiance differs. The 12 gauge was a long boom that resulted in a dialtone, and only a dialtone.

The 5.56 was a very loud, quick, pop, but I could hear normal conversation over the dialtone. It was similar to coming out of the water after hitting it a little too hard.
 
I haven't seen a lot of references to it, but you might want to give serious consideration to a suppressed short-barreled 300 BLK. I don't think there's a better choice for HD than a maneuverable, super quiet rifle that puts out a big fat slow projectile. After all, CQB is what the round was designed for. Even if the NFA part isn't appealing to you, don't suppress it and attach a good old Sig Brace. If that still doesn't appeal to you, consider a 16" carbine with a light and RDS chambered in 300 BLK. That's what occupies the front position in my safe (kept unlocked at night). The point I'm trying to make is that IMHO, the 300 is a great HD caliber no matter how you set it up.
 
I haven't seen a lot of references to it, but you might want to give serious consideration to a suppressed short-barreled 300 BLK. I don't think there's a better choice for HD than a maneuverable, super quiet rifle that puts out a big fat slow projectile. After all, CQB is what the round was designed for. Even if the NFA part isn't appealing to you, don't suppress it and attach a good old Sig Brace. If that still doesn't appeal to you, consider a 16" carbine with a light and RDS chambered in 300 BLK. That's what occupies the front position in my safe (kept unlocked at night). The point I'm trying to make is that IMHO, the 300 is a great HD caliber no matter how you set it up.
I could not agree more. My Noveske N4 in 300 BLK has been one of the most accurate and dependable rifles of any kind I have ever owned.

I have the AAC SDN 762 suppressor for it. Shooting subsonic ammo, it truly is “Hollywood” quiet. Now that excellent subsonic expanding bullets are available, such as Lehigh Defense, I think it is perfect for defense of any area under 200 yards. Supersonic, it will do anything the 5.56 will do and more.

Take off the can and snap in a mag full of Barnes TAC-TX 110’s and you have supersonic performance that exceeds the 5.56 NATO. I was going to get a 10.5” upper for it (and still may) but since I have the Sig MPX now, I might jut leave it with the 16” barrel. Since the pic below was taken, I have put the excellent Tijjicon VCOG optic on mine. That scope has BDC for both super/subsonic ammo. I see now that they offer the same reticle in the ACOG models as well.



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Warp,
You may have a valid point as to my opinion being misinformation. So this winter I plan on doing some penetration tests with my AR 223 and my 12 gauge on sheet rock walls.
I let you know the results when I finish.
 
Crawfish,

Thanks for sharing that you'd experienced issues with your AR in the past. Out of curiosity, what kind of issues did you encounter? Do you recall the maker of the AR, type of magazines, and ammo?

Not trying to pry, I just like hearing of others experiences (good and bad) so that I can learn from them. Fortunately, I've had positive experiences with ARs, at least to this point.

Crawfish, I am also interested in hearing this
 
Defense from what? Humans? Bears? feral dogs? It all just depends. I'm a believer in defense in depth so I have several guns for defense, but situational awareness is your first goal. What is you most likely attacker?

With that being said, I've got a 30-06 semi-auto for the bigger stuff and .223s and 7.62x39s for the small to mid size. I like what S&W sells in all calibers, but AR types are a bit like computers now days ... hard to find a really bad one.
 
Sometime in the near future I will probably purchase a semi-auto rifle for home defense.

Great! Since you are on the defense you get to pick whatever you want, and a rifle is an excellent choice.

I'd MUCH rather have a rifle in my hands in a gun fight, than a little sissy pistol.

I live in a fairly rural area,

Even better! This opens up even more choices!

I wanted some input about possible choices.

Most excellent. Since you're in a rural area and looking for a rifle, i'll give you a couple of ideas.

First up is an FG42.

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Yes, I know that it's a dated design that many people have never even heard of, but from a practical standpoint, you've got 20 rounds of high powered 8x57mm on tap. Since it was designed for Nazi paratroopers it's compact, but robust enough if you run out of ammunition you can still effectively use it as a hefty club. The real wood and metal parts show your intruders that you have some class, and the bipod lets you engage targets at a distance of about 800 yards. Great for making sure the bad guys get the point and don't cross your 5 acre front yard out in the country.

Next up is the SCAR17S.

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Similar in knockdown power to the venerable 8mm round, the SCAR provides you a level of sophistication well beyond your average shotgun-packing home owner that will surely leave the bad guys with the impression you not only know your business, but know it incredibly well. Whether you are patrolling your back deck or your front porch, the SCAR will not feel out of place.

Of course if you want to properly defend your house against NATO aggression I'd heartily recommend something in the Kalashnikov lineage. Here you can see my collection of this exceptionally reliable home defense platform placed meticulously around the Christmas tree, with my Dog of War Marley watching on; may he rest in peace.

(NOTE: it is best to arrange this type of photo shoot when the wife is out shopping and clean up prior to her returning home.)

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The Kalashnikov weapons platform not only says to intruders that you are serious about home defense, but you are willing to take it a step further and start a full on revolution, comrade! Remember, in Mother Russia, cheap plywood and pressed steel is your only true friend.

With the AK platform you also have a choice of calibers which is helpful if over-penetration is a concern!

As an extension of that, the consummate revolutionary would accept nothing less than the penultimate home defense weapon. In that category there is only one rifle - the legendary PKM. Light enough to take out for daily routine man-tasks, like chopping down trees with your bare hands, it provides you many options.

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With 100 rounds of linked 7.62x54R in the attached assault can, you can be sure that no intruder will ever bring enough gun to one-up you in a home defense engagement. In fact, you'll very likely have more ammo ready to use in your gun than any reasonable (or even far fetched) scenario would call for.

JUST in case 100 rounds is not enough you can also feed the rifle from a 200 round box attached to the lightweight folding tripod. This is great for static home defense scenarios like the end of a hallway in your bedroom door, or as pictured below, on the kitchen table trained towards the main entry stairwell of the house.

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In case the PKM isn't enough on it's own you can pair it with the older RPD and (albeit sluggishly) carry about 1,000 rounds on your person. Note this is very, very heavy - but what bad guy wouldn't turn tail and run away when faced with a duel-wielding belt fed home owner?!

I mean, let's be real here. Nothing says "GET OFF MY LAWN" quite like duel-wielding belt feds.

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In the event you still feel undergunned with the intermediate and full rifle calibers listed above, don't fret - there are still options. Rest assured, this feeling of inadequacy towards home defense can be fully and finally conquered with a nice 50 caliber belt fed rifle such as this Soviet DShK.

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Imagine the look on the bad guys face when you hit the garage door remote and they see THIS big gun pointing down the driveway!

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Once your friends (a.k.a. "crew") help you get the DShK set up you will finally be prepared to handle any and all threats which get within 2500 meters.

So, there's some choices to consider. Choose wisely, friend!
 
^haha well done sir, awesome post! deserves its own thread!!

Thank you. From now on when someone posts "which rifle for home defense" after it hits page 2 I'm just going to link to my post above, to shut it down. ;)

"Which rifle for home defense?"

"YES."

About the only way to answer it, really. :)
 
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