The 336 Club

[JustsayMo]

Hey PJ, I'm glad it's the real you and not an impostor..

Yup, I have another batch of the 4895/Remington 150 loads ready to go. Unfortunately our range was flooded during our recent bought of rain. Not uncommon this time of year but a real bummer when I'm jones'n to try out some new loads.

20 pounds?! Now that is a bunch of shootin'. I know you use it a other calibers. Do you have a good 45-70 load too?

Now PJ, go easy on these guys. If'n you git em too riled there will likely be a rush on Marlins and it'll drive up the price! We can't be tellin' everyone about what a bargain they are until I get all variations I need...er want. Of course if you tell 'em what you paid for your 336 you'll give 'em an unrealistic expectation and sticker shock when they go lookin' for their own.

On the VARGET load you posted. Was that for 30-30 or 35 Remington?

 

[papajohn]

"until I get all variations I need...er want."

Jeez, Dog. Just who do you think you're kidding? That'll NEVER happen!

And as for Dr. Cyst, I decided not to take all the donuts. I just licked every one of 'em. Now I don't have to eat them all at once!

Personally, I don't much worry about where the bullet holes are, as long as I can find them, that's good enough for me, until load development is done. THEN I dial in the scope. Like this..........



And yes, I use IMR-4895 in 223 by the thousand, 7.7 Jap, 35 Remmy, 30-30, and 375. I'm thinking about building a 6mm bench gun next year, and I'll probably use it in that, too!

Thanks for the nice welcome, now get back to work!

Papajohn the Whip-Cracker

 

[JustsayMo]

"I just licked every one of 'em. Now I don't have to eat them all at once! "

Nem, you invited him, you go get more donuts! More fritters this time!

 

[AStone]

...go get more donuts!

Oh, OK.

I'll get two boxes this time: one marked "PJ", the other one with a lock on it.

(PS: Mo: I'll be in touch asap re that data spread sheet ...)

 

[E121FX]

Jealous, totally jealous!!!

Those are some fine targets Y'all get there... being inquisitive as I am...
Are you guys shooting those offhand or are they shot from a bag or a rest of some sort? I've been trading between 50yds to 100yds cause I'm still a numbskull... But I put it on a rest for 100yds and then offhand for 50yds open sights either way and original sights at that... I was using an SR-1 target with a shoot-n-see center at both stations and I'm getting 1.5" groups at best on both stations... 150&180gr Federal Power-Shocks, they had a sale and both grains were the same price... what the hey I got em for the brass anywho!
Any yea or neys on Federal brass on the 30-30, I do fine with my other calibers, but I've heard some splits and fractures from some of the more seasoned around here...
Eh, I'm having my donuts now, can't wait, but I do share...

Peace

 

[Matthew Temkin]

Count me in as well.
I bought a used one in 1974.
Sold it in 1989 and then bought another in 1995.
Both were/are in 30-30
Great guns.

 

[JustsayMo]

I've had good luck with the Federal brass. The same is true with Remington and Winchester. Though I haven't tried it in 30-30 I'd expect Starline to be excellent based on the other calibers I've used it in.

The only 30-30 brass I won't scrounge is S&B and some other import I don't recall what the headstamp is.

One of the perks of 30-30 reloading is that brass is essentially free as the commercial stuff is nearly as inexpensive (and good) as reloads and most don't bother with it. The only way I justify reloading it is the slight performance improvement and specialty loads. The only time I'm saving any money is when I load cast bullets and even then it I'm not counting my time. It's hard to quantify enjoyment so I figure I'm still coming out ahead.

 

[AStone]

One of the perks of 30-30 reloading...

Speaking of, Mo sent me two spread sheets
about said practice for a couple of 336s,
and said it's cool to post them in the clubhouse.

(I have software to convert the spread sheets into jpgs.
I'll let him offer any disclaimers and caveats he feels appropriate.)

Added by edit from Mo's post below:

Disclaimer: The data provided is for information purposes only.
Double check all data in multiple manuals regardless of the source.

There are some interesting numbers in there.
No statistics performed on it (at least on my end).
But just the raw data is thought provoking.

(Mo: I add just a bit more description to the titles,
in particular barrel lengths. Maybe I should have added that
the 20" is a 1976, but that probably doesn't matter much here.)

So, here's the data.

Discussion and/or questions welcome, I'm sure.

 

[JustsayMo]

Disclaimer: The data provided is for information purposes only. Double check all data in multiple manuals regardless of the source.

 

[RandolH]

Has anyone here reloaded with any of the Berry's plated bullets for .30-30?

 

[Brassman]

If one of us were going to hunt ferel hogs with a 336, what ammo would you take? It's a simple question and I know I'm going to get all kinds of answers. Don't tell us to take another rifle, we want to take our 336. Let 'er rip boys! Make it factory stuff. We don't have time to work on home recipes.

 

[Brassman]

Don't get worried about that second person stuff. I'm a twin and my brother and I figured out a long time ago that writing and talking in the second person like this messes with people's minds. We don't mean anything by it; it's just fun for us to do. And "No," Gollum from The Lord of the Rings is not our brother. Our brother doesn't even own a prec.......ious. We mean a 336!

 

[papajohn]

35 Remington, 200-grain Core-Lokt handload at 2150 fps. Put that bullet where it goes, and not even Porkzilla can walk away. I hope to accomplish this scenario sooner than later!

Papajohn

 

[AStone]

<end of yet another week from hell, even if a very productive one ...
just checking into the club house, looking for sanity>

I hope to accomplish this scenario sooner than later!

Yo gonna have ta go to Texas to shoot a feral hog, though.
Ain't no feral hogs in Mo last time I checked.
('Course, I guess they coulda' migrated ... )

But, what I really meant to ask is,
isn't .30-30 enough to dispatch Porky?

Nothing against .35 Rem, mind you. Fine bullet.

Just wondering if it's really needed.

No opinion ventured. I've not hunted hogs (even if I've eaten a few hundred pounds or so, mostly as Memphis BBQ).

Just askin'.

 

[JustsayMo]

I'd take whatever ammo shoots best in your rifles. Thuddy Thuddy will do the job just fine if the bullet goes where it sposed to.

Looking forward to the trip report.

 

[possom813]

I can't comment on .35, never had one.

But as for 30-30, I'm actually enjoying the Winchester CXP's in the 170gr variety. I bought a box of Remington Core-Lokt 150gr the other day, but haven't shot any of them yet.

But the CXP's have taken two hogs in the last few weeks. No problem yet, both were clean shots in the vitals. The first one was about a 60yd shot and she ran about 20 feet and dropped. The second, not so much. My buddy and I were stalking a couple hundred yards away from each other. He said he heard some hogs making noise and stood up on a log to get a better look over the brush and they weren't more than 10 feet away when he shot. That one only ran a couple of feet.

Granted, the second hog was with a Winchester 94, but the same bullet from the same box as the previous with the 336.

-John

 

[papajohn]

"Ain't no feral hogs in Mo last time I checked."

Actually, yes there are! Mostly confined to the southern end of the state, but they're causing major headaches, and the landowners want them SHOT. A guy I work with keeps trying to hook me up with his buddy downstate to get some bullets into some hogs, but our schedules never seem to coincide.

And no, there probably isn't a dime's actual difference from the pig's perspective whether he gets drilled with a 30-30 or a 35, I'm sure he'd prefer it was neither. I just think there's more wallop with the 35, and the last thing I need is 200 pounds of pissed-off porker trying ventilate my Momma's best-looking offspring with his overgrown teeth.

Papajohn the Ever-Cautious Porcine Assassinator-Wanna-Be

 

[ShowMeState1977]

PapaJohn- Please PM me any info in regards to those feral porkers. I'm lookin to go hog hunting myself next year. (Of course with my .35 Rem 336!)

 

[AStone]

Actually, yes there are! Mostly confined to the southern end of the state, but they're causing major headaches...

Very interesting, PJ.

Who'da thought?

What kind of country are they in? Flatlands or Ozarks?

And yeah, I understand your motivation for the .35.
If .30-30 can do it, .35 can do it quicker.

 

[E121FX]

Out on a limb here

I'm going to agree with Papa, I personally never had the pleasure for plinking a feral hog [would love to] actually.. But a senior member of my club had the close encounter with a 30-30 and tapped him once in the mid flank and twice in the head. The story goes, after the first 2 shots in the mid then head, the porker was still up and around... 3rd time was the charm...

As for the exact distance, well the story gets a little vague, like my memory And thats pretty much all I gotta say about that...

But then again, I am hankering for a 35 Rem in 336 something awful...
Just wish Santy would get the wife on the same page, heck if she can get an HD Tivo "AND" a locket

 

[AStone]

You know, something just occurred to me.

For hog hunters, why not .45-70?

For Bambi, .30-30 is fine.

For Boss Hog, it appears to be ... less of a sure thing.
(Bambi doesn't have big teeth to aerate momma's child.)

But if .35 is adequate,
.45-70 should just knock their wind out immediately
while still giving one that lever advantage.

Just one more reason to buy an 1895.

 

[Brassman]

We did go hunting, but we didn't tote the .30-30, nor anything larger than the 39A. The regulation manual was incorrect when we checked. It said there was no bear to be hunted in South Mountains State Reserve (only small game), which meant for us only small caliber. However, when we got to the reserve the warden said the manual was incorrect, that bear was in-season and we could have brought our .30-30 or our .35Rem. The thing about the hogs is that in South Mountain, they are always in-season as the rangers have declared war on them for digging up their millet plantings for dove and deer. So it all boils down to this: we sat around all day in the misting rain with .22's, and not only did we not kill any squirrels, we didn't even see one (no rabbit for dumplings either).

When we got home though, there was one sitting on the rail of my deck (squirrel, not a rabbit) and he was dispatched at the ridiculous range of about 35 ft. with a CB long. He was skunt, gutted, warshed, quartered and in salt-water in the fridge about 30 minutes later. And we et him for supper!

 

[Brassman]

We'll go back to South Mountain on Friday with .30-30's in hand, and toting really hot, hand rolled .357 rounds in a GP-100 on the hip, just in case one of them little black bars or hogs gets nasty, in too close for comfort. For black bears, I don't think I'll need the Blackhawk in the .44mag size, hot .357 (Blackhawk also) will do the trick if needed. Besides, that .44mag is still a little too stout for me to handle, but don't tell my wife. It was last year's Christmas from her.

 

[paintballdude902]

what do u guys think of .30-30 onna black bear?

would it make much difference between 150gr and 170gr?

letsa say the bear is at 50 yards

 

[ZeSpectre]

Never hunted bear so I can't say with certainty, but I'd feel that .30-30 was a little on the light side for that. Personally I'd want a .45-70.

Having said that what did I grab when a friend was having bear trouble... .30-30 (because I don't have my .45-70 yet.