Warning: Do not use Tula .308!!! This is why!!!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Jackal, Mar 11, 2012.

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  1. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    The recoil was more than likely in your head because of the louder blast. When you get head separation, you get about twice the blast. Had that been a serious overcharge, you would have had much more damage to the bolt face and receiver. Been there, done that.
     
  2. gamestalker

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    I agree with Jeff F in that steel cases not expanding in the same manner as a brass case. In addition to this, a primary function that occures during firing is case sieze. A case needs to sieze to the chamber wall during a particular point, usually within the first half of the high side of the pressure curve. This prevents the case head from slamming into the bolt face with the full pressures of the burn. Now couple the lack of case sieze related to steel cases, along with a chamber that is a bit on the large side, and maybe border line head space, and complete case separations are highly likely.
     
  3. nathan

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    Wow, i have my Ishapore 2A1 and so far i only shot brasscased South African 7.62 NATO. No bulge or signs of excessive headspace from what i ve seen. I ve shot a few Prvi Partizan .308 in soft point and no problem. The steelcased i may have to avoid, thanks for the heads up.
     
  4. pingpingping

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    Whatever it is, I still don't trust that Tula crap. I've had bad experiences with it in 380.
     
  5. nathan

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    The have no doubt they run great on semiautos like the Saiga .308. They are designed to eat just about anything you feed them . THey might be finicky on FALs.
     
  6. animator

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    They aren't. At least not in my experience.
     
  7. Slamfire

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    Only for Lee Enfields.

    All other rifles are designed to take the full thrust of a maximum pressure cartridge ignoring all case friction.

    Those that don't, you can't fire them in the rain, because the case is slick, and the locking mechanism can't hold the load. ;)
     
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    find somebody with a good strong magnet or speaker magnet.get some neosporin and a tetanus shot
     
  9. Jackal

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    I have edited the original post with the update from Tula customer service. Its unfortunate this happened, but I am pleased they are willing to make it right.:)
     
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  10. xxxleafybugxxx

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    I had Tula ammo ordered for my tantal, but was able to call and switch it to wolf. I don't like seeing stuff like this....
     
  11. MAJ Mike

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    Hmmm. I've got a few hundred rounds of .308 Tula for my HK91. Haven't tried any of it yet. I will certainly wear eye protection and a long sleeved shirt when I try some.

    Glad you're okay. Shame about the Enfield.
     
  12. lobo9er

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    I am glad that they are helping you out. That is awesome. After doing somereding though the head space issue could have been a factor. It is possible you never noticed until Ka-boom!
     
  13. The Sarge

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    Wrong ammo for wrong gun usually causes issues.
    I have shot 1000's of rounds of Tula in my Saiga's. Not one single issue. Will continue to shoot Tula as it is cost effective and reliable.

    I am not aware of one single ammo manufacturer who has never had a issue. Should we not buy anybodies ammo then?

    Put the correct ammo in for your gun and you are usually OK. But first be sure your gun is within spec for the ammo you are planning on using.
     
  14. Beagle-zebub

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wolf's steel-cased ammo now all made at the Tula Cartridge Works, which is presumably the same factory that makes all this Tula ammo? I mean, unless they have more than one ammo plant in the same city, which seems quite unlikely coming from a planned economy.
     
  15. M1key

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    I would shoot Tula .308 in my Saiga without hesitation.

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  16. zfk55

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    Can you tell me if the bolt was in any way damaged, and would the bolt go into full battery afterward?
     
  17. zfk55

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    This one is bothering me. Your photos look like the one's the Sheriff's dept. took of an Enfield that suffered that same looking problem when I was 12. Its a very long story but I can tell you that the Sheriff's dept here was able to duplicate the same thing with a second rifle after I was flown by helicopter to the hospital. They jump-started me twice enrout. It was as near to death as I've ever been.
    I still carry three Enfield parts in my body. Nobody in this family will fire any Enfield.

    It took 123 rounds remotely fired from a locked in rest to duplicate the first incident with original factory ammo, but it was not the ammo. The Enfield can be caused to fire out of battery.
    If I can find all the old photos and the report I'll post it here. I've heard 1,000 Enfield ownrs call BS on this one, but I'm alive and the incident was duplicated by the Sheriff's dept.
    Very glad it wasn't worse, OP. It very well could have been.

    *That should have been "The original issue ammo of the time" *
     
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  18. Jeff F

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    I believe some of it is and I also believe Wolf gets their ammo made to their specifications from a number of different Russian ammo plants. I had a bunch of Herter's .223 from Cabela's that had Wolf head stamps on the cases, the more recent Herter's .223 is head stamped Tula. I have been in contact with Wolf over the Herter's ammo and I believe they are getting into a lawsuit over it. i know they want any wolf head stamped ammo thats not Wolf packaged back. Heres a link.
    http://www.wolfammo.com/pdf/WOLF_Packaging_Alert.pdf
     
  19. zfk55

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    I forgot to mention that your case seperation is exactly what mine looked like, with the exception of the rim still being in my lower back.
     
  20. Jackal

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    Yup. Bolt lug recess is freshly pushed back. Bolt now has a fair amount of setback. Bolt will not close all the way.

    A big Kudos to the factory for taking care of me.

    This gun was headspace checked when I purchased it at a retail location. Headspace was in check, though now I am sure it will not likely be, due to the fresh set back. I have fired Tula ammo from this rifle before, never had a problem or any bad signs. This rifle has always been perfect. It is not the guns fault. I fail to understand why so many cant believe that an ammo manufacturer cannot produce a bad round out of millions. In fact, I also had a Tula .45acp round squib in my Taurus .45. Lets face it, its not quality ammo. Will I use it again in other weapons such as SKS and Ak's? Perhaps, but with brass case being available for only 5-10 cents more per round in most calibers, I think I'll spend the extra and enjoy having my face intact.
     
  21. The Sarge

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    I believe. As I said. Name one single ammo manufacturer who has not had a boo boo round. All of them have.
     
  22. zfk55

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    And that's exactly the reaction I've gotten for the past 20 years.
    Best of luck.
     
  23. R.W.Dale

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    I for one am greatly interested in hearing your story particularly the circumstances surrounding the explosion.

    It would probably be best done in a dedicated thread.

    posted via mobile device.
     
  24. preaction

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    Why didnt you look up the ammo on line before you purchased it ? you said that after this, you looked and found others were having this type of problem with the ammo you purchased, when do you look first ? Cheap ammo will always be cheap.
     
  25. Jackal

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    Its not uncommon to assume that factory ammo will be within spec.

    Think of cancer, most people know little about, until they get it.
     
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