was handcuffed for 1.5 hours then free

[yongxingfreesty]

This is what happened.

A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?
Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?
Why are women cops the worse to deal with?


After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

 

[rkh]

You were being chased and you didn't call the cops until after you crashed? You wave your AK around at the sight of african americans?

What?

When you realized you were being chased you should have immediately called the police. It's unreal that you didn't call until you had a smashup. Something about your story doesn't ring true. Why didnt you arrange the refund to take place in very public place? Preferably a police station.

The cop that harassed you about all the guns in your trunk was spot on. You put yourself in a dangerous situation anticipating a gun battle... over a playstation.. that wasn't even yours. Legal or not, that was grade A stupidity.

 

[gunsmith]

Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

huh?

To female CHP officers got me for speeding, then they discovered a failure to appear, no license and no registration!

They kicked me lose telling me to "please get that stuff fixed"

only take legal advice from a cop if you are paying them to be your lawyer and if they will represent you in Court.

When they started chasing you you should have called the police immediately.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

I was sitting in the back seat behind passenger and was too worried to call police. I didn't even think about it, kept thinking about where to go in the neighborhood because didn't want to get trapped dead end.

 

[helpless]

I agree, at some point call 911 as soon as you can. Then defend yourself. Taking your Ak out of the trunk was not bright though.

I am a graphic designer btw, not a lawyer.

 

[Rattlesnake]

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this....

Oh yeah a vehicle is a deadly weapon. According to my dept. policy ramming is a use of deadly force, therefore we can't do it unless the other guy is committing an act that could cause serious personal injury or death, such as... ramming. I could not in all reasonableness agree with what those officers said.

A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?
Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?
Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

First question depends on the jurisdiction. Here in NM it is perfectly acceptable.
I don't think I'd want to shoot the person driving me around unless I can get to the steering wheel quickly.
They're not. You haven't met me on duty.

All smart remarks aside, why did you let ti get that far???

 

[dave_pro2a]

Best of luck with life.

(sorry to be so brutal man, but really, sell your guns and try not to do anything rash or brash for the next few years as you mature)

 

[Jeff White]

To female CHP officers got me for speeding, then they discovered a failure to appear, no license and no registration!

Are you telling me that in California a peace officer is not required to arrest someone who has a warrant?

Here a warrant reads:

TO ALL PEACE OFFICERS OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS:

You are hereby commanded to arrest _____________ and bring said person without unnecessary delay before The Honorable Presiding Judge of the Circuit Court of the Fourth Judicial Circuit, Marion County, in the courtroom usually occupied by him or her in the Marion County Courthouse in the City of Salem, Illinois or if he or she is absent or unable to act, before the nearest or most accessable court in said county to answer a charge made against said person for the offense of ___________________

It doesn't say if you you feel like arresting the person, it says you are commanded to.

Jeff

 

[Bob R]

bob

 

[Deavis]

You could have been killed over a PS3. Someone called you and made a death threat, so you just decided to go meet them instead of resolving it through other channels that didn't put you in danger of bodily harm? You have a CHL and had to sit through the conflict resolution portion, did anything they taught you even bubble up to the top of your thought process? I admit it isn't great training, but come on.

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

a) you shouldn't be carrying weapons if you don't know the laws concerning them
b) If you can afford a real ak-47 and jump thorugh the hoops to get it then you have no excuse for not knowing the laws

you can walk down the street in texas with a loaded long gun. It can be in your car, your gunrack, or your trunk. It doesn't matter, the prohibition is against handguns.

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

I would not recommend shooting the person driving you under any circumstances unless you have to. How are you going to control the car after you shoot the person driving you? Perhaps you want to rephrase the question?

Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Depends, then agai, this was covered in your CHL class in regards to a brandishing/deadly weapon v. no deadly weapon situation. You shouild already know the answer to that question.

 

[ingram]

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[Geno]

 

[jeep-2]

what an exciting story, i can't wait for the movie

 

[Glockfan.45]

Um......wow. Lets all take this as an example of how not to deal with this type of situation. Where you went wrong.

1.) You went to meet with a group of stangers that just made threats against your lives. You should have called the police right then.

2.) You placed the lives of others in danger by creating a high speed pursuit. While running may have been justifiable in this case you never should have been there in the first place. Also you should have called the police when the chase began.

3.) You were carrying weapons without knowing the laws regarding their carry. I have my own thoughts as to why you brought a trunk full of guns , but since its speculation on my part I wont comment further.

After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us.

Aside from the fact that I think your trying to race bait here I see another problem with this claim. You stopped and got out of your car to grab a rifle. They made no threating gestures towards you, and your response was to brandish a weapon at them. You should have left, and if they followed you then call the police. It really sounds like you went looking for trouble in all of this to me. Do yourself and the rest of the firearms community a favor and sell your guns.

You're an idiot on so many levels it's hard to even go into.

Not my words but I do have to agree.

 

[evan price]

Wow... just.... wow.


I call imminent thread lock on this one..!

 

[sacp81170a]

Are you telling me that in California a peace officer is not required to arrest someone who has a warrant?

Exactly. Not to get off topic, but when we run someone's DL it will show if they have any warrants. That means that at least the dispatcher will know if an officer failed to arrest someone on a warrant.

It depends on departmental policy whether they can release you with a citation and a new court date, but if the warrant is from another agency, you will be taking a trip to the greybar hotel.

 

[Geno]

I had to reread this before I posted some text. I am a strong believer in the fact of the police motto to protect and to serve. Why did you not meet at the police department or public safety parking lot?

Doc2005

 

[El Tejon]

I just don't know where to begin.

 

[Kharn]

This story's more messed up than a soup sandwich.

Kharn

 

[30 cal slob]

395 posts here? wow.

much you have to learn from your encounter.

if anything, i would have a sit-down chat with your CHP instructor and ask him what he thinks.

if you don't get a critique from him/her - you had a bad instructor.

 

[Titan6]

The logic was so bad here it made my head hurt. That must have been some PS3.

 

['Card]

Interesting. I dug up this movie quote just yesterday to use in a discussion about forum stupidity, and the very next day I stumble across this thread.

"...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." - from the Adam Sandler film Billy Madison.

 

[Jeff White]

Moderator Hat on:

Let's stay on the High Road guys. Calling another member names isn't permitted and you all know that.

sacp81170a,
Could have been out of the geographic limits of the warrant. We don't issue NTAs on warrants up here, the bond is often set when the warrant is issued and the wanted person just has to post it at the jail and be released again. But a valid warrant always means a trip to the calaboose even if only to bond out again.

Jeff

 

[Risasi]

Looks like you lucked out.


So now that you have a new lease on life, are you going to;

1. Get some common sense?

2. Learn Federal, State and Local laws?



There is plenty you and your friend did wrong. If you want us to analyze your experience down to the most minute detail I am sure we can. As to whether or not people will want to is another question entirely.


Like some of the others, I too had to re-read your initial post. And I still don't really have a clear understanding of all the events in question.

 

[Risasi]

Okay, I am fuzzy here on some of these details:
(Also I am guessing you posted this late last night, right after the events, so I am guessing you weren't in a good frame of mind when you posted this. I'll cut you some slack)

was handcuffed for 1.5 hours then free
This is what happened.

A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

Okay, let's start here. Was the buyer a woman? Also I don't know "craigslist", or how it works. For instance if they have anonymous buying, etc. Also rule number 1, don't walk into a place you can't get out of. Not only that your friend has been threatened. Why did you guys not take this more seriously?

We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

I don't know what to think about this yet, by my initial reaction is you shouldn't have been there. This seems to be a semi-private location where you guys met. This is like a scene out of a movie, with a stolen goods hand-off. The movie Heat immediately comes to mind. I guess if you are going to do an exchange like this again make sure you arrive first, and you have Val Kilmer perched at 150 yards with an HK91. (Okay, kidding).

We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

No comment...

I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

Your response to the lady officer was not too bright. And I can see here bad reaction. All she knows is two cars are wrecked, and I'd venture to guess that they know something about the high speed in which these vehicles were operating. Not only that she now finds out you have a trunk full of weaponry.

We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

This is likely what saved your bacon, the fact that the other guys lied.

Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

Can you blame them? You do have some "toys".

The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

LEO is not required to tell the truth. This was likely a test to see just how stupid you would be.

I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

You will live...

A couple of things I want to know are,

Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?

I'll let locals answer this one...

Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?

Uh, is this worded right? Am I to understand you wanted to possibly shoot your friend?

Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

I haven't found this to be true. Broadly speaking they do tend to be more emotional than their male counterparts, it is the rule rather than the exception. But that's just the nature of the female race, give 'em a break. (Not meant to be a put down, merely an observation).
Regardless, I have not found it difficult to deal with women police officers.

After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?

Okay, I really don't understand this part. You left out a ton of details; were the police officers still around? Or did everybody leave already, including the police, wreckers, the fellow that chased you? Why because they were black would you think the other guy might have sent them "after you"? Also your friend's car is still operational? Need more details here...