Well crap. We goofed. (nothing too serrious)

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I (and several family members) live in a nice quiet neighborhood. Predominantly middle class/upper middle class, older folks. Nice and quiet. You know who is and isn't suppose to be around. Unfortunately we are literally surrounded by "low income housing", like truely no good kind of people, on 2 sides.

Anyway the other day my uncle who lives on the other side of the neighborhood called me to go meet him at lowes to haul some construction materials for him. Grabbed my HK45 with it's 10+1 load of 230gr PDXs, hopped in the truck and rolled.

Half way there my uncle calls, having left before me, and asked where I was. Told him 5 minutes away. He told me 3 young unfamiliar males had walked up to a neighbors house and were knocking on the door as he passed. That, I knew, was no bueno. I told him I'd turn around and come check it out, but he told me no need, he had called another armed and trained neighbor and informed him of the sittuation, and told his wife to call the police. So I didn't go. Turns out the police were never called, no one investigated, an the hoods kicked in the door (no one was home) and made of with two handguns.

Obviously the major goof was the police not being called. No idea why my aunt didn't do so.

The thing I'm wondering is, should I have turned around and investigated? It really bothers me that 2 thugs are now armed or better armed and I feel I could have helped prevent it.

On the other hand, I could hav walked into three thugs, at least two of which were armed, with only my truck for cover and 11 rounds of my own.

On the third hand, if I had gone to investigate, and if shots have been fired, It seems that legally, that may not have gone well for me. It would look like I was looking for a fight.

I believe the right course of action would have obviously been to insure the cops had been called. What I'm unsure of is if a civilian response (by myself and/or other neighbors) would have in any way been a good idea?
 
That's what I felt as well. It's hard to keep out of it if it doesn't directly involve ones self or loved ones, but better than being killed or imprisoned over someone elses stuff.
 
The mistakes were very minor in comparison to the ones you DIDN'T make. Avoidance is the very first rule of self-defense.
 
What's wrong with driving there and at least visually investigating while in your vehicle? Now getting out of the vehicle and perusing them sure I wouldn't do, but otherwise I would have driven by while on the phone with the police trying to give them descriptions.
 
Yup, that certainly could have been a perfectly reasonable and safe response. So long as you can stay unnoticed and (obviously) resist the urge to lay your life (and freedom) on the line for someone's "stuff."

NOT doing a drive-by look may be a "mistake", like not calling the police more promptly, but it is a very minor one.
 
It bugs me that my aunt didn't call the police. Or that my uncle (who actually saw the suspicious activity) didn't call them himself. I was lead to believe she did which is why I took no farther action. Goes to show.. Want it done right, do it yourself.
 
Probably a good idea to have called. Better two calls to 911 than none.

Jim
 
Wow. Get this guys.

The same uncle owns a building not a mile from where that incident took place. It was fire damaged and gutted and is now used as a storage building. It was broken into last night. Uncle went this afternoon with a fine well fed officer of the law to do a report. They get there, the thugs are INSIDE. Several young males. They break and run out of doors and windows.

Previously mentioned fine well fed officer of the law just watches them go and says "don't get payed enough to chase anybody"

WHAT?!?!

I give up. Humanity is indeed screwed.
 
"don't get payed enough to chase anybody"
Yup, unfortunately, we have some like that as well; it's one of the reasons I'm getting out and can't wait. They spend their time hassling us since they know we won't run. They're beginning to get told off a lot and eventually, there'll be rampant disregard for officer respect. Problems the real cops need to straighten out internally before it explodes.
 
Well put Stevie ray. I don't mean to bash law enforcement. Iv met a ton of GREAT wildlife and fisheries agents, as well as a few cool cops.

But between the two who told me Louisiana isn't an open carry state, the one who told me I couldn't own a handgun being under 21, and the too poor to run guy... It's annoying to at the least.
 
I don't see this as a police response thread. Why did you not go back and check on your Uncle and said neighbor? Did you go to Lowe's without him?
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Avt, yea I kinda wandered a little there.

No, I didn't turn around. My uncle wasn't wrestling with the guys. He passed 3 unrecognized guys knocking on a neighbors door, called and asked if I was still in the neighborhood, told me what was goin on, told me what actions were taken (turns out none of them were actually taken) and we proceeded with our day.
 
Sounds like you did the right thing. Get a good description and stay vigilant.

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If you or persons known to you are in peril, you know what to do.

If a person you do not know is getting property stolen, be a good witness, but don't get involved to where you are at peril or at risk of legal jeopardy.

BE A GOOD WITNESS if at the scene of a crime. DO NOT GO TO THE SCENE OF A CRIME.
 
SWAMPCRAWLER - " ... Goes to show.. Want it done right, do it yourself."

Yep. Depending on others creates a false sense of security. Make the call yourself.

L.W.
 
I'm not going to comment on what you should or should not have done in response to this incident. It sounds like no one got hurt, so it's hard to find fault on any side.

Thinking about my own self, and my own neighbors, I'd like to think I'd be a good witness. Right or wrong, I would instinctually want to drive by my own, or my neighbors houses to observe what I could from safety. Our homes are very close together, and because of the layout of our properties and surrounding streets, it should be easy to obverse from a safe distance, possibly from several angles.

However, it does remind me to do something I should have done a long time ago. I should get out and talk with the neighbors, and be sure to put their addresses and phone numbers in my cell phone. I suppose in the event of any unordinary suspicious activity, a phone call to their residence wouldn't hurt. Especially if there were any indication that they might be home and inside.

Thought?
 
Sounds to me like going back to just observe and be ready to make a witness report would not be the end of it.

If you have to ask something like, "Should I have gone back with my HK to maybe prevent the theft?" then once you get there it'll be hard for you to resist intervening and quite likely causing somebody to get shot.

It was a simple theft; there was clearly no reason to risk gun play. Your HK is for SD, not law enforcement.
 
Fair enough beatledog. I suppose not turning around shows my ability to resist my obvious bloodlust. :p
 
I think the only thing you *could* have done was also call the cops.

About the well-fed lazy cop incident, I would complain with my elected officers... AFAIK the police chief is one of them. And his/hers/its boss too
 
It's not personal, swampcrawler. The way you posed the question was the basis for my comment.

The thing I'm wondering is, should I have turned around and investigated? It really bothers me that 2 thugs are now armed or better armed and I feel I could have helped prevent it.[emphasis added]

Calling 9-1-1 would probably not have gotten police there in time to intervene. Going back to simply observe would have resulted in nothing more than a witness report.

People were present to see this theft initiated, and they didn't stop it. Other than drawing a weapon, how were you going to help prevent it?

If these thieves were armed (and we don't know that they weren't), and you showed up armed...

We know they were armed when they left the premises, so...

There's little chance that going back there with a gun and an "I can prevent this" mindset would have resulted in anything good.
 
For me personally, I wouldn't have turned around given the info you had, I wouldn't have called 911 either. I'm kind of a MYOB guy. You were given bad information and that's not your fault, I'll also add I can't imagine three guys knocking on a door looking suspicious to me, kicking one in sure but not knocking.

With that said comments like:

If a person you do not know is getting property stolen, be a good witness, but don't get involved to where you are at peril or at risk of legal jeopardy.

BE A GOOD WITNESS if at the scene of a crime. DO NOT GO TO THE SCENE OF A CRIME.


Always remind me of the scene in one of the Spider Man movies where he goes in to collect his money from a cage fight but gets ripped off then the place gets robbed and Spidey let's him run right out only to learn the a few mins later the guy ran out and killed his grand father. Spidey was a very good witness, he ID'ed the guy as soon as he saw him.

I personally cannot watch some get harmed by a criminal and do nothing, which is called being a good witness by some. Sometimes you have to do what's right and deal with the consequences later, what ever they may be.









I blame all typos on iPhones auto correct.
 
Swamp, I've got to ask.... where do you live? I can't imagine an officer in south Florida with that "not paid enough" BS.... or at least not employed long if anyone heard him/her say that...

Lastly wonder if anyone has come up with a "Zimmerman rule" as a result of current events?
 
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