As I often see around here "The fight will not be the way you want it to be - the fight will be the way it is."
BlackBearMe, excellent point.
If everyone can agree to the above, we can break this down further to this:
The situation [ the gun "in your face", meaning pointed at you threateninly not necessarily right in your face ] is controlled by the BG. He is controlling what the fight will be [ or no fight at all but he controls regardless ].
As he is in control through intimidation and threats [ could be overtly or not ], it will be what he wants it to be, so in fact he controls your destiny at that moment in time and does so as long as he has the gun on you or can put the gun back on you physically.
Someone offering their wallet, to pay for the gun they've been looking for
, or examine it to fix it for them
, is essentially not in control and never gains control over their own destiny.
The gun can go off for any reason, at any time but it is pointed at you and if it goes off even accidently, that won't matter to you physically, you'll still be shot. I think we can all agree thats a bad thing.
Instead of complying and letting the scenario be what it will be through the BG's good graces [ of not shooting you at any time within the scenario on purpose or accidently ], I've always preferred the fight to be what it will be through my own intentions/interventions.
I prefer to control the way the fight will be and my own destiny [ for good, bad or ugly, no matter how it turns out ]. And there will be a fight, no question of that as long as I can touch that weapon he's holding on me.
So the fight can be what it will be based on your compliance, and his actions to that which HE controls at all times and decides if you live or die even if you comply, or the fight can be what it's going to be based on YOUR actions and YOUR controlling the fight.
Either way, the fight will be what the fight will be though. You have to answer that given with,
Do I let him control the fight and wait to see if he is kind and generous enough not to shoot me on purpose after that compliance or take the chance he's not nervous, someone or something interjects into the scenario and he pulls the trigger inadvertently/unintentionally or
Do take control of my own destiny and this scenario and make the fight what it will be based on my proactive countermeasures.
Thats what gun disarms are by the way-ACTIVE countermeasures.
Those who have thought reading this thread, or stated in a post, that they'd like to create a distraction of some kind, or wait for an opportunity to move and shoot the BG when it presents are actually stating they are waiting to use their own form of active-countermeasures, but with a gun.
I would prefer not to make this a gun fight [ by going to guns ] as you still run the risk of taking incoming in doing so, you know--the fight will be what the fight will be.
You don't control the fight in a gun battle as well as you do by taking control of his weapon while you get off line of the muzzle. There are choices to be made, but clearly, certain actions or inactions will bring about various outcomes. I've never attempted a disarm that didn't control the weapon immeidately [ thats to say once I've acted, no one has been able to keep the weapon or put the muzzle back on my person ].
I like that outcome myself. The training for this scenario was in 81. The instructors knew exactly what we were taught and going to use against them, they still could not shoot us. It didn't take a month of training to learn how, it didn't take a few days, nor even a few hours to learn and to be able to take control of the weapon and get the muzzle off our person before they could pull the trigger.
Your right about "the fight will be what the fight will be", and the fight is on immediately if anyone muzzles me with a firearm and I can touch it. It's been that way for 27 years and it's not going to change until I don't have the stomach for it, find I'm too old and slow to make it happen, and the training no longer works based on my physical abilities.
Only then will I be complacent, and comply and have to let the fight be what it will be based on their generosity in not shooting me. It will happen one day, but it won't be today nor will it be tomorrow
Brownie