What do you think you might do ?

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HOWARD J

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You are wlking down the street--your cannon is sitting quietly in your
holster. You are alone ( family is at home )
A car quickly pulls up beside you-a man jumps out with his gun pointed at you. He says" give me your money or I will kill you"
Do you hand over your money or do you take a chance & draw your weapon ?
LET'S TELL THE TRUTH FOLKS.............:D
 
Rejected premise

I usually start out every "What if" by rejecting the premise and validating my rejection.:evil:

Usually I don't walk down the streets. I bought a car and I'll drive where I need to go.:D

If I am walking, I'm probably with my dog, an 80 lb German Shepherd mix. If someone rolls up on me like that, as soon as the guy jumps out of the car, I'll let the two of them tango.:cool: That would give me enough time to clear out or get the drop on the thug.

If by some chance. I'm not with my dog walking, when the car rolls up I'd already have my hand on my gun. As the guy jumps out of the car I'd be backing away with the precursory "I don't want trouble", "Leave now", "Somebody Call 911". If by that point he actually yells the money or life ultimatum, then well I hope I draw fast enough to drop him before he realizes it.
 
I shoot him.

I'm not the surrender type.

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I'd hand my money over if I reasonably felt he wouldn't shoot me if I complied. I wouldn't want to have to kill a man over some cash.
If I suspected he was going to kill me anyway, I'd attempt to knock his gun out of the way while I drew and hoped for the best.
 
Do you hand over your money or do you take a chance & draw your weapon ?
I don't care about the money, I just hate criminals.
If I had an opening I'd shoot him repeatedly.
 
Feign compliance and state as calmly as possible, "Yes sir, you are in control. I am reaching for my wallet." I say this as I am retrieving my "wallet." At the precise moment, simultaneously strike the offender's weapon to the side while I move laterally in the opposite direction, drawing my weapon. I fire until the offender is no longer a threat.

I do not comply with someone who has a gun. I will feign compliance, but it will not be actual. I have simply seen too many compliant victims be shot and killed. Sometimes it's because the attacker doesn't think you are moving fast enough, sometimes it's for the thrill of it, sometimes there's not enough money and they're pissed off about it, and once I actually had a suspect tell me, "I just wanted to know what it was like to kill someone."

If you think that a perp will not shoot you just because you comply you may very well be dead wrong, literally.

No, not me. I have reconciled myself with the fact that I may be shot. I have not reconciled myself to the fact that I may be shot without an attempt to do something about it.

This very scenario illustrates the need to practice moving laterally, out of the suspect's line of fire, as you draw and fire your own weapon.

If he has the drop on you your options are pretty limited unless you have a severe affliction of the stupids.

I profoundly disagree with that. Your greatest option is to win the fight and it is a very reasonable task to accomplish in this scenario, assuming you have trained in my described actions. Criminals are used to being in control. They are often easily defeated when suddenly their formerly compliant victim presents a violence of action in their own defense.
 
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I'm with Jscott on this one...

The way I see it, this idiot can just as easily shoot me after I comply, so I'd rather reach for the heater and take my chances.

He's already giving you some movement and time by demanding cash, which most keep in their wallets in their back pockets. It is just as easy to reach for the heater as it is the wallet.

It's a personal decision one needs to make based on their individual abilities and comfort with potentially getting shot.
 
I would run.

Yep, I would run away as fast as I could.

Why?

1) There's a good chance that he will not shoot.
2) If he did shoot, there's a good chance that he would not even hit me.
3) If he did shoot and managed to hit me, there's a good chance that it would not be a fatal or even life threatening hit.
4) There's a good chance that he would shoot me even if I did hand him my wallet...and I would be stationary and closer to him, which would definitely increase the odds that he would hit me with a fatal shot.
5) The chances are very slim that I would be able to draw and shoot the guy before he got at least one shot off.

So, I would run.
 
Depends.... but it mostly depends on how close he is. If he is within grappling range, he's getting shot, even if I do to.

If he's farther off than that, I'll give him my wallet, and then pull when he tries to grab it.
 
for me it depends on what i'm carrying at the time, if i have a pocket pistol i'll draw as if i'm getting my wallet, if i'm carrying iwb i'll throw him the wallet as he reaches to pick it up or catch at it and draw, if he's closer than that i'll grab his gun and draw myself and empty the mag in him at point blank range. i may get shot myself in a situation like this but leaving my life in the hands of someone who is willing to rob and threaten the life of a complete stranger is not an option.
 
If he was going to shoot you he would have done it from the car. I would have the gun in my hand at the first sight of the car coming off the road to block my path, well before BG gets out. First sign of aggression or gun & I am drawing with repeated screams to drop his gun and back away. I am advancing. My pending use of force will be loudly advertised, both with my screamed commands & my advancing posture. Anything short of instant compliance & I am firing until the threat is gone.

That is what I mentally PLAN to do. In real life I doubt it will be that clean.
 
I do not agree with the many posts suggesting "sneaking" in a draw with trickory. You describe an armed assailant that has the drop on you. First sign of metal, you must assume he is firing. I see only two options: Committed overwhelming display of force, or full compliance. One or the other. I vote for the former, else I would not be armed in the first place.
 
I wouldn't want to have to kill a man over some cash.


This is more than cash. The guy is threatening to kill you. You can't outdraw a gun that's already out and pointed at you. So much for those who simply say they'd shoot him.

I do not agree with the many posts suggesting "sneaking" in a draw with trickory.

Trickery seems to be the only way you'll get that draw in. BGs sometimes get too comfortable if all seems as they hope it will.

Committed overwhelming display of force, or full compliance. One or the other. I vote for the former, else I would not be armed in the first place.

You have no reason to disbelieve what the guy says. Your overwhleming display of force would probably be stopped by a fraction of an inch on the BG's trigger.

This doesn't mean I'm not fighting. I vote trickery or movement if there's distance between us or deflecting his muzzle if he's close.
 
Hopefully it will never be necessary, but I've always planned to fake panic. "Please no, oh my God don't shoot!", loudly and with a lot of fear. I figure that will do 2 things; buy a couple of seconds, and help you get away with some movements that would otherwise seem dangerous to the BG.

Ideally though I would have seen the car slow down and the BG start to get out and have time to get a hand on the gun. You never know though, condition white happens to everyone.

I guess in the end it depends a little on your family situation. What happens to them if you lose? There's whether or not you have the guts to pull, and whether or not that's irresponsible as it relates to them. I'd like to think I would stick with the plan described above.
 
This person would never make it out of the vehicle before the shooting begins if I spot a gun.

I talk to people all the time while walking my dog. Sometimes they stop and talk from vehicles. Some approach from a great distance away. Some act strange and I warn them to keep their distance. Some are not strange and I allow them to pet the dog. But they never show a weapon or otherwise act aggressively. As long as they know how to behave themselves I'm fine with that.

No matter about money, I don't carry it. The dog cost thousands of dollars however and that is probably what they'd be trying to steal.
 
Since the modern day theives will kill you anyway even after they rob you; I would force the issue and will shoot to kill...although it may be possible in some extreme case but it would be really stupid to be robbed in this manner while packin heat.

In a similar way a young man was just murdered the other day for his new cell phone in a Marta station waiting for a train in Atlanta Ga.The young man that was shot did'nt even have a means of self defense.The guy that pulled the trigger anyway was the tipical baggy pants Gangsta type. The young man that was shot was in college.It was a totally senseless and they should bring back the electric chair for that guy. My point is they will more than likely shoot you anyway, it happens time after time in Atlanta so defend yourself with deadly force...

Just my opinion, but a person thats smart enough to carry for self defense should be well aware of their own situational surroundings.
 
A car quickly pulls up beside you-a man jumps out with his gun pointed at you. He says" give me your money or I will kill you"
Do you hand over your money or do you take a chance & draw your weapon ?

Take a chance that the gun is not loaded or not real? NO!

Take a chance that he will not shoot when I try to draw? NO!

Take a chance that I will be able to draw, aim, and fire before he can squeeze the trigger? NO!

Seems to me that my chance of succeeding is darn near zero, and that even if eight out of ten robbers shoot complying victims, the 20% chance that he will not shoot me is far, far greater than the likelihood of not getting shot if I try to draw.
 
I would run. If I'm walking against the flow of traffic I would have seen them coming. I'd run in whatever direction the car isn't facing...most likely opposite the flow of traffic. I am not ashamed. Retreat can be a form of resistance.

I realize that others in this forum may not have the same level of mobility that I enjoy, but I run 4 or 5 miles every day. A 200 yard dash to avoid getting shot (or having to shoot somebody else) is no big deal to me.

--Stork
 
You have no reason to disbelieve what the guy says. Your overwhleming display of force would probably be stopped by a fraction of an inch on the BG's trigger.

Victoms are victomized. IMO you have a far better chance if you change his perception of you as a victom, hence the immediate show of force. As for the gun already drawn, I reject the notion that it is possible for a car to pull up on deserted street, block my path, and then have someone open the door, get out, and raise a weapon all in less time then it takes for me to draw and confront.

They are not expecting to be confronted, and asserting one's self the instant they appear threateneing re-sets the scene. They will back down MOST of the time. I know of no other way to regain control of the situation. That said, you are very correct in stating it may not work; IMO it simply gives the best odds.
 
IMO you have a far better chance if you change his perception of you as a victom, hence the immediate show of force. As for the gun already drawn, I reject the notion that it is possible for a car to pull up on deserted street, block my path, and then have someone open the door, get out, and raise a weapon all in less time then it takes for me to draw and confront.

Didn't say deserted street. Didn't say blocked my path. OK, then, what's your justification for drawing a weapon when someone gets out of a car that has happened to stop near you? (Hint: you don't have one.)

The gun will be "already drawn". And you will not have a chance.

What's your Plan B?
 
A car quickly pulls up beside you-a man jumps out with his gun pointed at you.

I pocket carry a G27. Car pulls up beside me = hand in the pocket on the gun. Man jumps out with a gun & has it pointed at me the entire time? Even while he is exiting the car? I get that you are trying to create the "no win" scenario, but the way you scripted it allows time to see the weapon before it is on me.

To answer your scenario, Let's assume that I clear a blind corner & an armed BG jumps out, gun in hand, pointed at my face in a 3 foot apart standoff. Before he barks his first command for my cash, I am drawing, evading, and firing. If I get shot, I get shot. I am not going to yield control without an attempt to fight & get the upper hand. This has nothing to do with pride or bravado; I truly believe that leaving the BG in control poses lower odds of survival. One thing I am fairly confident in is that I will likely have FAR more practice then some 17 year old banger; both guns drawn = even odds; with the edge going to the one with the better training, equipment, loads and determination.
 
OK, then, what's your justification for drawing a weapon when someone gets out of a car that has happened to stop near you? (Hint: you don't have one.)

I mis-read the initial post; made the assumption the car was an obvious threat. But to answer the justification question, let me throw out another scenario.

Guy approaches while I am pumping gas & forcefully states that with such a nice truck, I have some cash to spare. No weapon, no threats. How would you respond?

With several muggings with the exact MO in my town, I will tell you how I responded: Hand on gun, (not yet drawn), quartering away, left hand in the universal "halt", with a very loud "get the &*%$ back!!, I have NOTHING for you, bud". Probably an overreaction, but I really don't care anymore if people get scared or offended.

So, yes. Guy jumps out of an unexpectedly stopped car & heads towards me, gun or not, I am likely drawing if I feel threatened. Whether I fire or not is up to him.
 
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If the OP is attempting to solicite an answer to the question of whether it is ever appropriate to yield control to an armed BG, the answer for me is YES.

When I make the mistake of being UNARMED. If I am armed, I am fighting. This is not a position I have always held, by the way. Spending a year or two in this forum has changed my views on a number of issues, especially in light of additional training & study that I would not have availed myself of otherwise.
 
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