What is your "Lemon Gun/Guns" ?

[bannockburn]

Remington 597-this rifle is forever jamming no matter what ammo is used. Have done all the "fixes" and still the gun can't get through a magazine without a 50% failure rate.

Walther PPK/s-a stainless model that was extremely rough and poorly finished on the internals. Numerous failures to eject and the magazine had the most annoying tendency to fall out of the gun (and no, I wasn't hitting the mag release).

Kahr CW-40-another rough and poorly finished model with the added bonus of a polymer frame that was coming apart in pieces large enough to tie up the slide release lever.

Charter Arms Undercover-after putting less than a box of wadcutters through it, the frame pins were coming out, and the cylinder retaining screw had begun to back out as well.

Colt Agent-one of the later cost-cutting models (matte finish); the cylinder and crane assembly were out of alignment. The net result being that after awhile, the cylinder would come to a grinding halt against the forcing cone of the barrel.

 

[Lakeshore]

It's not exactly a lemon, more like the least good of a collection of otherwise very good guns: Walther P-22

 

[HOWARD J]

30 M-1 carbine converted to 9MM by Iver-Johnson---using
P-35 mags.
A total POS----------never worked from day one.............
The only good thing was the stock which I used on another std. M-1 carbine.

 

[Travtastik]

Glock G23. Biggest turd I ever bought.

 

[SleazyRider]

Lemonade?

Dang, good thing I read this thread or i wouldn't know what a lemon my perfectly accurate, 100% reliable, and otherwise excellent firearm my Walther P-22 is!

 

[ThePunisher'sArmory]

I also had a Phoenix Arm HP22. Sold it for $100

 

[Carter]

My two lemons:

Del-ton AR-15 that didn't like extracting brass and would chamber another round and slam the spent case in to the top of the receiver.

I.O. INC STG 2000 that would shoot 20 feet low and 20 feet to the left. Even with a red dot I'd have to aim the rifle at a really weird and unsafe looking angle to get it to shoot straight past 10 feet.

 

[21bubba]

1970's model Ruger security six. The gun would fall apart if you didn't take a screw driver to it after every cylinder and tighten the screws. Blue loctite didn't help, two trips to ruger didn't help, trading it in on the s&w model 19 cured the problem.

No Ruger's since and I still own the Smith.

 

[Col. Plink]

Ruger 10/22: accurate to about 10'

 

[Hatterasguy]

Ruger mini 14, if it wasn't a gift it would be sold. Now it sits in the corner of my safe and will stay their.

 

[kimberkid]

HK model4 ... the 22LR conversion is only reliable with Stingers

 

[TheCol.U.S.M.C.]

Walther P22 shoots ok just can't get over the toy feel I only bought it as a host gun for my outback II supressor. It really feels like a toy with the can on but it has eaten everythigh I feed it

 

[gym]

Walther PPKS,1974 german, custom nickel, my carry gun in NYC, stopped carrying it after 2nd time it just jammed in the middle of a session early 1980's, with ball ammo. And the AMT 45 backup, you needed a winch to shoot that gun for more than a box of anything. Even after a trigger job, it just sucked. Both times I went back to my model 60 Smith. I never had problems with 1911's in commander size & up,Smith or Colt Revolvers or Glocks.I think small auto's are just destined to fail at some point, but that won't stop me from buying them.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Only real lemon I've had was a 4" blued Ruger Security Six I bought as a companion to my 6" stainless one. I simply could not shoot it accurately. One time I fired it with 38 WCs, I got 2 decent groups, but they were 3 inches apart at 25 yards, one higher than the other. Sold it to a friend, he was overjoyed with it.

 

[JTHunter]

Thanks Radagast - it is definately NOT a BP gun. And thanks for the link.
It has a tip-out cylinder and the only numbers on the gun are 2 rows of 3 numbers each on the front edge of the butt between the grips. These are actually on the underside of the grip, just behind where your little finger would rest.
There is a stamp of a prancing horse on the frame just above the top of the handgrip where your right thumb would rest. The cylinder latch is on the left side for use with the right thumb as well. On the right side, there are two screws under the cylinder, the front one being slightly larger and lower than the back one.
That one ALSO appears to be overlapping some kind of pin, locking it in place.
If I knew how to upload a picture here, I'd let you see it.

 

[Radagast]

JTHunter:
save a pic to your desk top, start a new thread, go advanced on the reply buttons, use manage attachments, go to upload file from your computer, browse your desk top, click on the pic to upload it, wait for it to upload and you are in business. No need to host it off site and hotlink it.

 

[Jonah71]

1911 Lama. real POS, The only Llama I have owned.

 

[CeeZar]

Para Carry 9. This is my wife's second carry gun. It had no problem with the self-defense loads, but had a lot of FTE and double feeding with FMJ practice ammo. It was sent back to the factory and returned pretty quickly and seems to be better now but we haven't really shot it much since. She doesn't trust it enough to carry and is back to carrying the P225.

Buckmark. Also my wife's gun... I wouldn't actually classify this as a lemon, but it is very ammo sensitive and has FTF about 1/5 without the right ammo. Luckily all my .22s like Federal bulk so it is not much of a problem when it comes right down to it.

 

[Mk VII]

Arisaka 38. Never could hit the paper with it. I think they pulled a bait-and-switch on the original gun I saw, don't know why I bought it.

 

[ChCx2744]

I've personally only encountered 2 "lemons" in my life: They are the Bryco Jennings 9mm and S&W Sigma .40 SW40VE. These things are complete garbage and I would trust my life to my bare knuckles before those craptastic guns. EVERY magazine fired through them would consistently FTF and FTE. The problems were attributed to the firearms themselves, recoil springs, ejectors, magazine springs AND magazine catches; All new, by the way. I don't care what kind of rabbi or priest you get to preach me otherwise, I will NEVER buy or use one of those guns EVER again!

 

[swiftak]

MAGS, get a XD in .40 S&W

 

[Chedderbob]

Remington 770

Bolt ripped out during regular camming... turns out the only thing securing the bolt release lever was the crappy thin plastic stock...

Sold it at a loss, and still felt like I ripped the guy off.

 

[Pistola]

A "zinc" Jennings .22, The slide would randomly fly off. (when shot)

Marlin model 60, jammed every other shot no matter what.

 

[HankB]

I have owned two real lemons:

1. Colt Mk IV Series 70 Government Model, also known as the "Jammamatic." This junker usually jammed 2 or 3 times per magazine with any brand of hardball you care to name. (Yes, I was using COLT brand magazines.) Went back to Colt repeatedly for warranty work . . . their procedure was "Hang onto gun for a month or two. Do nothing. Return to customer in same condition. Repeat until customer gives up." Anyone can make a lemon, but Colt's factory NON-service is why I'll never buy another Colt firearm.

2. Kahr P9. Written up in all the gun rags, just about everything you can imagine went wrong with this turkey. Failure to go into battery. Failure of the slide to lock back. Chatter marks in barrel. Trigger fails to actuate striker. Trigger pin walks out. Kahr tried to fix it - I'll give them that - and paid for shipping both ways. Repeatedly. Eventually they gave up and replaced the gun. But being of the "once burned, twice shy" persuasion, I traded the brand new unfired replacement for a brand new Glock 26; not as neat a package, but the G26 actually works . . . and does so all the time.

HK model4 ... the 22LR conversion is only reliable with Stingers

Ah, yes, the old HK4, a mechanical copy of the Mauser HSc, except made of stampings tack-welded together. A friend had one - it was the only pistol I've ever seen with a broken frame. When you pulled the trigger, you'd get anywhere from 1 to 3 shots out of it - unpredictably.

 

[Onmilo]

I don't keep lemon guns but a Jennings J-22 and a Walther P-22 come to mind as the real dog handguns.

I had a Ruger 77RS that couldn't hold 4" at 100 yards no matter what I tried to do with the rifle and am pretty sure the barrel was actually overbored about half way down.

A Turkish over under shotgun would regularly break action parts about every 40 rounds, dumped that dog quick and at a major loss, sold it, ironically enough, to another gunsmith who needed it for 'parts',,,