Dlowe167
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Ya a small .380 is better than nothing. With the right placement a peeble to stop a person.
Is it just me, or are people more skeptical about what is adequate for defense?
Is it just me, or are people more skeptical about what is adequate for defense? Decades ago, people used to be totally fine with .25s and .32s. Now we're discussing wether a .380 is too weak. It's .38 caliber. Not exactly under-gunned.
I was about to say that we've been spoiled by the proliferation of .45 ACP, and so we've raised the bar, but then I realized, those small calibers (and .32s used to be common police guns) were considered adequate just after the era of .45 LC.
Have you ever NOT seen anyone go down right away after one casual shot out of James Bond's PPK?Is it just me, or are people more skeptical about what is adequate for defense? Decades ago, people used to be totally fine with .25s and .32s. Now we're discussing wether a .380 is too weak. It's .38 caliber. Not exactly under-gunned.
I was about to say that we've been spoiled by the proliferation of .45 ACP, and so we've raised the bar, but then I realized, those small calibers (and .32s used to be common police guns) were considered adequate just after the era of .45 LC.
Handguns suck for stopping people, some just suck less.Is it just me, or are people more skeptical about what is adequate for defense? Decades ago, people used to be totally fine with .25s and .32s. Now we're discussing wether a .380 is too weak. It's .38 caliber. Not exactly under-gunned.
That would be an interesting thing to test. I would love to see the results.I wonder if you would see a velocity reduction for a .25 ACP round when fired from a cheaper pistol? I wonder if they have a looser bore or something. I suspect that a nicer pistol like a Colt or Beretta will have tighter tolerances and possibly give the round more "oomph"?
Whenever I hear a story like Schwing's (.25 ACP bounces off leather jacket), the pistol invovled is almost always a Raven or something along those lines.
Would be interesting to do a test, get two pistols, a cheap .25 and a nicer .25, and do some chronograph testing using the same ammo out of both guns...
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I would be willing to try this, I have an assortment of .25 caliber pistols. Even have a chronograph. What I don't have is a tripod to put the chrongraph on (my old one broke)... soon as I can find one, I might have to test this out...
They were not fine with it. They only thought they were because they were ignorant.Decades ago, people used to be totally fine with .25s and .32s. Now we're discussing wether a .380 is too weak. It's .38 caliber. Not exactly under-gunned.
I found in 32 acp a dramatic difference Fiocchi 60gr half jacket is 200fps better than Win, Fed or Speer 60gr HP I tested.
no the 60gr XTP load (blue box) that produced in AR is not as hot as the 60gr Half jacket (brown box) loaded in Italy.Do you know if the Fiocchi manufactured in the US is loaded like the European?
Thank youno the 60gr XTP load (blue box) that produced in AR is not as hot as the 60gr Half jacket (brown box) loaded in Italy.