You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

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it averaged a +2 in capacity compared to 9mm. The staggered colum is going to be a bit thinner than 9mm. I wonder if the designers have figured out they could boost the capacity even more going to a double feed style magazine. Even a double feed .30 mag is still thin. Much easier to load for folks as well.

Kelgren probably contemplating something like a double stack, double feed PF9 with a little grendel thrown in. He could even bring back the stripper clips.

The round is going to have some sweet penetration with FMJ. Be a nice pocket gun for the trail. Like a little mini 7.62x25 pocket auto. Buffalo Bore and Underwood are going to have fun with this new cartridge. Might be a nice carbine round as well

Too bad the R51 isnt around anymore. Seems like this round would be a perfect fit for it.
 
starling said:
Too bad the R51 isnt around anymore. Seems like this round would be a perfect fit for it.
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I’m still bitter over this, if the r51 would have been functional and reliable it would have easily been one of my favorite carry guns, I gave it several chances and each one was a dud. I wish someone would make it and do it right.
 
Seems interesting but (just my opinion) it doesn't seem like a good time to come out with new cartridges right now.

Maybe a way to get higher profits. Less material with higher resale price = gold.

Take manufacturing capacity away from high volume lower profit rounds, thus raising sale price from lower supply, while also diverting that capacity to lower volume higher profit product = goose that lays golden eggs.

Still seems interesting, tho.


JCooperfan1911 said:
And plenty of ammo is already in full production:
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That's subjective for any cartridge right now.

But at what price? It seems about 30% higher than 9mm; Maybe more.

No one is shooting more because of low ammo prices right now, quite the opposite.
 
They probably have had this under development for a long time. Maybe it began pre covid when prices were a lot lower. To me it seems interesting because "new". But not to the level of wanting it at present, but who knows what the future brings. Maybe it becomes a proven excellent cartridge with lots of support. With a name like super carry it is clearly aimed at the CCW market.
 
Yes, but they are in cahoots with Nighthawk. How many .32s can you get in a 1911 length magazine? Can you get a stacking arrangement that will work to get a lot of .32s in a 2011 magazine?
 
Jim Watson said:
Yes, but they are in cahoots with Nighthawk. How many .32s can you get in a 1911 length magazine? Can you get a stacking arrangement that will work to get a lot of .32s in a 2011 magazine?
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Curious my self. But the math for post #78, we can figure it out.

I did the math and it would 18 rounds in a standard 15 round 9mm. I was hoping for 20.
 
beeenbag said:
I’m still bitter over this, if the r51 would have been functional and reliable it would have easily been one of my favorite carry guns, I gave it several chances and each one was a dud. I wish someone would make it and do it right.
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My Gen2 has been fine but I don't have a tremendous amount of ammo through it something like 100-150 rounds, it is a very sweet looking and feeling gun. It is definitely well made albeit had some issues, but other than the plastic trigger shoe which I would love to replace its all metal. Rated for +P as well.

My criticism would be that the grip safety channel is a little rough on bare hands as the corners of the channel are distracting on ones grip hand.

I agree though, with the +P ratings it would be an interesting piece to have in 30 Super Duper Carry.
 
If a swap-out of mag and barrel would let a 9mm Shield take 30 SC, that'll make a big difference.
 
John_R said:
If a swap-out of mag and barrel would let a 9mm Shield take 30 SC, that'll make a big difference.
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That might be a good move. They really need to introduce a pistol built specifically for the 30 Super. It could be the perfect cartridge for an affordable small subcompact pocket gun so that would be a good start. I am thinking something like a Taurus GX4 type. Keep the pistol price lower to break the cartridge into the mainstream as a sort of loss leader. Just stuffing 30 super into 9mm mags is most likely going to be wasted space. The magazines would most likely need to be ribbed similar to 40S&W mags being modified for 9mm. A true double stack 30 super magazine would be a good bit thinner than a 9mm double stack. Double feed would really increase the capacity. Check your M1Carbine 15rd mag dimensions and you will get the idea.

Higher end stuff... sig needs to bring out a Mini p210 like the Mac 1935A. That would be a fairly easy conversion.

I see this as a smaller gun caliber. Something like a mid size or duty size pistol you might as well move up to 38 super/ 9mm, 40, 45 or larger. But in these baby autos that people love this cartridge could be just the ticket. Low recoil (I suspect), Better penetration than 9mm, Excellent expansion in JHP, Higher capacity, Thinner etc. ..... On paper the 30 super looks like a winner. I dont see it replacing 9mms or 40s but it give a better size to caliber ratio for smaller more concealable pistols.
 
.455_Hunter said:
I might have an interest in this cartridge, but I suspect most of the guns available will be polystrikers. Too bad CZ discontinued the Rami- it would have been a good platform for it.
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Looks like anything with a modular subframe would be an easy conversion. Even a budget modular gun like the Sccy would be doable.
 
Robbins290 said:
I dont think Davison's the distributors would play games like that. And its listed right now on there website. So i would say yes. Yes its real.
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Why do you believe that it is listed on their website?
 
For me personally to invest, they’ll need to make the guns chambered in this cartridge thinner.

The stack is thinner for sure over the 9mm ones. And the barrel hood, slide, frame etc. can all be made more thinner.

I don’t see the appeal of the smaller rounds shoehorned into the thick, bulky .380/9mm sized guns.
 
For me it needs to have a gun designed for it. There is not enough benefit when it falls short of performance to the 9mm, and you have the disadvantages of 50k PSI, non-existent market support for reloading. With 9mm having such an economies of scale to get price down it's a hard sell to displace the 9mm.

Now if gun manufacturers design some slim pocket carry guns to take advantage of a slimmer case design while keeping capacity up then it would replace my LCP 380 for pocket carry. I don't care for that gun in the first place, it's a one trick pony compromise gun in my opinion. It gets carried 10 instances a year in my rotation just because of dress.
 
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