Is Federal’s New 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?

Cool. It's always neat to see new developments in the cartridge world.

I'd like to see an ultra slim gun but the same size as a bersa /Walter. Be more easily concealed.

A pocket 5 shot revolver with a cylinder that's smaller in diameter than the smith j frame.

Conversion cylinders for rugers in 32 h&r mag

I think where this is going to really shine is in the pocket gun world. Imagine a Glock 43 with 8 or 9 round flush fit mags and less recoil. A Sig P365 with 12 round flush fit mags and less recoil.

Id have to see some real world performance againt things like auto body and windshields before Id switch out from my 9mm duty guns... but a Glock 43 with a 10 round pinky extender mag? Im on board.

Rule3 said:

How well did Federals 327 Fed Mag tune out? I bought a nice revolver and like the round but other than that it was a DUD!

I guess this new one will be a winner as people think they need high Cap for carry guns in case of a big firefight.
Guess the single stack 9mm craze is over, we need more!!
Most are over in one or two rounds.

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Oh yea, maybe I should carry a derringer rather than a Glock 19.
Since we have "Most are over in one or two rounds" ... that rationalization needs more for support.
Here a a few I often see posted:
- I'm not a cop
- Its better than nothing
- Criminals anticipated to run away when gun is presented
- Consult the crystal ball of anticipated threat
- Do I feel protected

Nah, as compelling as those rationalizations may be, I'll stick with a Glock 19 - despite being in a "good area" - its easily concealed even in FL heat.

CDW4ME said:

Oh yea, maybe I should carry a derringer rather than a Glock 19.
Since we have "Most are over in one or two rounds" ... that rationalization needs more for support.
Here a a few I often see posted:
- I'm not a cop
- Its better than nothing
- Criminals anticipated to run away when gun is presented
- Consult the crystal ball of anticipated threat
- Do I feel protected

Nah, as compelling as those rationalizations may be, I'll stick with a Glock 19 - despite being in a "good area" - its easily concealed even in FL heat.

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Do you ever bring anything else to the table?

Kleanbore said:

'you have heard that somewhere?

Think of it this way: how are people trained to defend themselves in SE encounters today? Hint: they don't fire one round and stop to see if it's "over".

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Just how many rounds does one need to carry 6 was not enough, then 7 or 9, then it's 10 and buy a base plate now to hold 12. Oh? now we not need 15 but it must be concealable. It never ends. Make sure it has flat rear sights for a tactical reload,


Let us know when all the new guns are out that use this new round
Pleas let us know the percentages of CC owners that have actually draw the gun and shot someone. How many rounds was it.

From Federal

More Rounds

The 30 Super Carry's slimmed-down dimensions result in a simple physical truth. A magazine the size of your standard 9mm Luger pistol's will carry additional rounds — two more in initially available handgun models. You get the proven power of a 9mm Luger with added capacity that can make all the difference in a real-world self-defense scenario.

Keltec P32 would have more bite if chambered in .30SC. Tiny package.

P365 would have even more capacity and even less recoil if chambered in .30SC.

And if a Beretta 92 has a 20 round aftermarket mag, should I be dreaming of a .30SC conversion barrel and ~26 rounds?

While I salute the innovation, especially in this difficult age, I don't see this new cartridge as being "all that."
Sure you may get a couple more rounds, but how many more is going to be dependent on overall size of the mag/weapon and most folks aren't going to want to CC a full-sized pistol daily. More rounds on board are nice, and I've said before that it's the rounds you have on board that are most likely going to be what gets you home. BUT more rounds of a new, hard-to-find, not really any cheaper cartridge? Meh.
Now, if this was designed to be a magnumized .32ACP and designed to fit into ultra-compact .32/.380 sized pistols (with locked chambers, obviously) and give the shooter about 9x19mm power, then heck yeah! But with that peak pressure, there's no way. At least not with current technology. I look forward to being proven wrong on that.
No, it's cool. I'll follow its development of course, but I see this more as a marketing gimmick than anything else.

I think the most exciting aspect of this new round would be if a major manufacturer designed a gun specifically around it, taking advantage of the opportunity to slim down both the slide and frame. That would potentially give it a place alongside, rather than in competition to, 9MM.

Larry

jmorris said:

a new round during the most difficult time t

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They (this is jungle telegraph) started this jaunt in 2017, and 2020 delayed the release. It takes a long time to get marketing materials together, to focus group naming and the like.

Ohen Cepel said:

Why was (IIRC) 40 harder on guns than 9mm?

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40 s&w is 10mm "lite" pressures are above 9x19.
Build a "just barely" pistol for 9x19, and poke a 40 barrel/slide combo aboard, and you are asking it to cope with energy greater than designed for. So, you might need more than relief cuts and stress protection radii in the pieces-parts.

The problem with thinking the 30sc is a suped-up 32 is that the 30sc round is longer and has better sectional density than most 32 bullets. (The proponents will argue 30sc has better SD than 9mm--that's still a "maybe.")

Ok, so, packing 9x19 ballistics into 8x21 is cool. The "cost" is the 50Kpsi chamber pressure. Which is going to hurt out the end of a 3 inch barrel. Even with the 20% volume savings for ammo size.

The dumb part will be is, like 10mm, they move to a "short & weak" version. 32sc at 30-35K pressure is basically where the 32acp already is. Delivering a 100-105gr bullet at only 960-980fps will be middling pointless, other than being better than a 90-95gr bullet.

Time will tell.

I can get past the name. Simply call it .30SC, no big deal.

What I do like about .30SC is the same thing that many folks like about .327 Magnum. In a small revolver, a typical 5-shot capacity is increased to 6 by going from .38 Special to .327 Mag.

Seems like increasing capacity a bit in a small autoloader isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

With respect to the comments on recoil, the 30SC will have the same recoil as a standard 9mm.

The length of the 30SC is the same as a 9mm (max 1.169"), so it will require a gun size (grip) the same as a 9mm, not a 32ACP/380 size gun.

Kleanbore said:

Maybe I've lost the bubble on the numbers hare, but I would have thought the recoil of the .30 to be lower.

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Ballistics:

9mm;
103 grain at 1340 fps
115 grain at 1180 fps

30SC;
100 grain at 1350 fps
115 grain at 1160 fps

Kleanbore said:

Maybe I've lost the bubble on the numbers hare, but I would have thought the recoil of the .30 to be lower.

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Energy is energy, if the new .30 SC load has the same ft/lbs as 9mmP the force acting on the user as recoil is going to be the same. You can use some of the recoil to operate the pistol and buffer how that recoil is buffered but the total force is the total force.

I'd be interested in if it works better to use the standard Browning tilting barrel recoil operation or lever delayed blowback like the Ruger & FN 5.7x28 pistols. With the energy the .30 SC has I wouldn't expect a straight blowback to work very good unless the slide weighs a couple pounds.

BSW

That's just what I need, another pistol cartridge.

Kleanbore said:

'you have heard that somewhere?

Think of it this way: how are people trained to defend themselves in SE encounters today? Hint: they don't fire one round and stop to see if it's "over".

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Kleanbore said:

No one can know that before the event.

No one collects those data.

So they are telling us.

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So you do not know what the average number of rounds per shooting is. ? Most crime scene reports I have seen usually someone was shot 2 maybe 3 ties. Not counting gang violence or drive by shootings. So yes, that's what I am aware of.

Just a caliber and capacity debate. Maybe the bad guys will have bigger calibers and more rounds?. AK pistol perhaps?

I hope the round survives and is available.
Plus some good concealable guns, other than the SW EZ and a 1911.
Perhaps the SA Hellcat or Sig 365

briansmithwins said:

With the energy the .30 SC has I wouldn't expect a straight blowback to work very good unless the slide weighs a couple pounds.

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Given the input values for ciphering recoil--they are going to be similar. But, a valid point about simple blowback, an unlocked breech is not what I'd be keen on to contain 50K chamber pressures.

So, I'd entirely agree, some form of 'delayed' would be required for blowback operation. Now, flapper, spring, even gas (imagine a P7 is 30SC ).

I'm still thinking this round will really find a niche in the "midsize" carry pistols, say around the size of the R1, Star BM, PP, etc., or the like. I'm thinking "stack-and-a-half" width mags and 1 cm wide frame/slide combos.

Mind, as skinny as this 8x21 is, it would make for a very skinny 5-shot revolver (ooh, a Mateba would be cool; maybe a "T" handle revolver . . . )

Shooting the 9mm out of a little semiauto like the CM9 or the DiamondBack is a handful. I don't think you get an extra round of 30 SC in those tiny single-stack semiautos.

What I really want is a HP projectile that will expand some and penetrate to about 14" through 4 layers of denim, and have about the same recoil as a .380 ACP. I think that messing with bullet length and sectional density you could come up with a better bullet than either .32 ACP or 380 ACP. With that kind of recoil impulse you could carry a tiny pistol like the Beretta Pico or SIG SAUER P238 and have better terminal ballistics with about the same recoil.

When I first heard about a 30 caliber "carry round" I was pretty excited, but when I read that it has the same recoil and blast as a 9mm my excitement diminished. I already know what its like to shoot 9mm out of a tiny auto.

CapnMac said:

it would make for a very skinny 5-shot revolver

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If they would make a new frame for it, that would be attractive. But probably they'd use a 357 frame and put a 30 SC cylinder in it and the extra chamber length amounts to freebore.

C-grunt said:

I think where this is going to really shine is in the pocket gun world. Imagine a Glock 43 with 8 or 9 round flush fit mags and less recoil. A Sig P365 with 12 round flush fit mags and less recoil.

Id have to see some real world performance againt things like auto body and windshields before Id switch out from my 9mm duty guns... but a Glock 43 with a 10 round pinky extender mag? Im on board.

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If it’s going to be as big and thick as a Glock 43, count me out.

fxvr5 said:

Which competitors are you speaking of?

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Good question. It is not obvious to me that this would be legal for either USPSA or IDPA as their rules are currently written.

chicharrones said:

I can get past the name. Simply call it .30SC, no big deal.

What I do like about .30SC is the same thing that many folks like about .327 Magnum. In a small revolver, a typical 5-shot capacity is increased to 6 by going from .38 Special to .327 Mag.

Seems like increasing capacity a bit in a small autoloader isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

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For some reason, revolver makers just won't do a thing like this. Nobody did ever came out with a 5 shot revolver closely designed around either 32 Magnum or 9mm Parabellum, even though both those things might have made sense. I guess the informed judgement of the manfacturers has always been that the sales would not justify the cost of tooling. The closest thing I can think of was Taurus' 380 ACP revolver, which went nowhere, because who was looking for a such a gun with less power than 38 Special?

Maybe NAA will make one of their solid-frame single-action revolvers for it? But at 9mm Para power level, I will let you shoot one first.

PS - A moment's thought suggests that if NAA has never made such a gun in 32 ACP, they aren't going to for this new round.