Is Federal’s New 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?

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Is Federal’s new 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?
  • The bullet diameter of the 30 Super Carry is .312” (same as the 32 H&R Magnum or 32 S&W)
  • The bullet diameter of the 32 ACP is .3125” (same as the .32-20 Winchester)
The chambering generates nearly 50,000 psi of pressure and, with modern design, offers performance not possible just a few years ago. The 100-grain Federal load will provide 347 ft-pounds of muzzle energy; Remington’s 100-grainer offers 336. Meanwhile, the Speer 115-grainer generates 338 ft-pounds. Those numbers compare well to the 381 and 313 ft.-pounds produced by Federal’s 124-grain and 147-grain 9 mm loads, respectively. Moreover, JHP bullets in the new cartridge expand 1.9 times original caliber, almost identical to the best 9 mm loads, which expand 1.915 times initial diameter.
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The very first 30 Super Carry-chambered guns will be ultra-premium Nighthawk Custom pistols, specifically the President and GRP (although you’ll eventually be able to order any Nighthawk model in 30 Super Carry). The 1911 manufacturer was the first company to respond affirmatively to inquiries from Federal, but Smith & Wesson will have guns (Shield Plus and Shield EZ) in the new chambering soon, too. Right now, virtually the entire industry is on board.
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The proper name should probably be 32 Super Comp. Its a 32acp with a longer case and a true rimless cartridge. Where the round will shine is small, slim, concealable autos with 12+ capacity. But I'm thinking there may be more applications for the round. Duty weapons that have capacities in the 20-25 round range without magazines extending beyond the grip, which in itself may be an advantage for competitive shooters. If a CZ with 21 rounds of 9mm is good for competition, can't imagine one with 26 rounds would be worse.
 
I'll be curious to see if ACP or 32 Mag dies will load it. As well as, if there will be conversion kits for existing pistols put out. Those answers may make/break it for me, conversion kits especially.

High pressure round IIRC so may beat guns up in the long run.

I do think competitors may be the biggest market for it, at least at first. Rough time to put out and sell new pistols unless there is a solid stock of ammo on the shelf for it.
 
bersaguy said:
Duty weapons that have capacities in the 20-25 round range without magazines extending beyond the grip, which in itself may be an advantage for competitive shooters. If a CZ with 21 rounds of 9mm is good for competition, can't imagine one with 26 rounds would be worse.
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Ohen Cepel said:
I do think competitors may be the biggest market for it, at least at first.
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Which competitors are you speaking of?
 
I’m cautiously excited about this round because it’s something I’ve wished for for a long time: a hot .32acp that has enough oomph that it can take advantage of modern hollow point technology, being truly rimless to make reliable feeding a go, and having a slightly reduced capacity from the .30 Luger so that it can hold more than a comparable 9mm (while being shorter than the .30 Tok/Mauser so a double stack grip is reasonable.)
 
Come out with a new round during the most difficult time to find ammunition and components since the AWB. The idea is almost as bright as the 9mm Federal…

..,that oddly enough is “in stock”, only $7 a round.

https://shop.ammo-one1.com/product.sc?productId=94

The name alone is doomed for failure. “Super” is something people would have named a round in the 1930’s. The 30 Radical would have done it in the 1980’s, makes me wonder what the focus groups would pick these days.

Maybe they are trying to duplicate the resounding success that the 32 magnum has had.

I wish them luck but don’t expect my wish to come true.
 
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Ohen Cepel said:
I think slide velocity gets high if not spung right and made for the round. Not claiming to be an expert in this space though.

40S&W had a reputation (not sure how well earned) for being hard on some designs.
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With that logic, a 9mm (max 35,000 psi) kicks more than the 45 Auto (max 21,000 psi), and therefore the 9mm should have stronger springs than the 45.

You're confusing peak chamber pressure with recoil force.
 
fxvr5 said:
With that logic, a 9mm (max 35,000 psi) kicks more than the 45 Auto (max 21,000 psi), and therefore the 9mm should have stronger springs than the 45.

You're confusing peak chamber pressure with recoil force.
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Could well be wrong, wife says I always am.

Why was (IIRC) 40 harder on guns than 9mm?
 
Ohen Cepel said:
Could well be wrong, wife says I always am.

Why was (IIRC) 40 harder on guns than 9mm?
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Because a whole lot of pistol manufacturers looked at cartridge sizes and just released pistols designed for 9mmP with barrels bored out to .40. Those pistols tended not to do that well in the long run.

Current .40 S&W pistols are designed for the cartridge from the start and don't have problems with service life.

On the service life question, who is going to be able to afford enough ammunition to wear out a pistol that isn't being used in competition?

BSW
 
Gary H said:
The next set of riots are just around the corner and good luck finding non-military caliber ammunition.
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I've actually had better luck finding .40 S&W than 9mmP when ammo was really scarce. If I owned a .50 AE I'd have been set when everything was sold out. That caliber was one of the few that was on store shelves in my area, along with .454 Casull.

BSW
 
How well did Federals 327 Fed Mag tune out? I bought a nice revolver and like the round but other than that it was a DUD!

I guess this new one will be a winner as people think they need high Cap for carry guns in case of a big firefight.
Guess the single stack 9mm craze is over, we need more!!
Most are over in one or two rounds.
 
Could the .30 SC be viewed as a .32 ACP Magnum? Yes.

Does it offer an interesting combination of features and capabilities that aren't a rehash of the same old thing? Yes.

Could it be useful to people who want to maintain a basic 9mm performance floor while increasing capacity? Yes.

Is it an questionable time to be introducing a new caliber? Yes (see also 6.8 Western)

Will it have long term success? Unknown. Too early to tell if we have the next 6.5 Manbun or the next 9mm Federal. My guess would be more popularity than the .327 Mag, but that's not to hard to achieve.

Does it upset the OODA loop of the "9mm or Bust" cabal? Absolutely, which is highly amusing.
 
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