Is Federal’s New 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?

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ddc said:
It is not obvious to me that this would be legal for either USPSA or IDPA as their rules are currently written.
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Yeah, the 30SC just gets to 9x19, so, it's going to be a "minor" not a major caliber. Not sure anyone is going to get a .30/8mm pistol round to "make major" other than like a 30carbine. (Ok, just imagined an AMT AutoMag III fitted out as a "race gun" and boggled myself)
 
Monac said:
PS - A moment's thought suggests that if NAA has never made such a gun in 32 ACP, they aren't going to for this new round.
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That's probably a very valid observation.

Which is probably related to how firmly the 10+ round slim micro-compacts have taken over the SD "market."

So, maybe that means RIA turns out a 7-shot in a 357 frame snubby.
 
CapnMac said:
Yeah, the 30SC just gets to 9x19, so, it's going to be a "minor" not a major caliber. Not sure anyone is going to get a .30/8mm pistol round to "make major" other than like a 30carbine. (Ok, just imagined an AMT AutoMag III fitted out as a "race gun" and boggled myself)
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No, you don't get it. USPSA (and possibly others) state .355 is the minimum caliber. The 30SC would not be allowed at all unless they change the rules to allow for the smaller caliber.
 
Kleanbore said:
'you have heard that somewhere?

Think of it this way: how are people trained to defend themselves in SD encounters today? Hint: they don't fire one round and stop to see if it's "over".
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Most people and well-trained people probably act differently.
 
There needs to be a pistol specifically made to fit that cartridge. Should with a double column mag thinner than typical double 9 mm and maybe about the same as a single stacked 9. The major advantage is more rounds in a magazine that is thinner.
Spin off may be more .312 bullets for reloading.
 
CDW4ME said:
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Oh yea, maybe I should carry a derringer rather than a Glock 19.
Since we have "Most are over in one or two rounds" ... that rationalization needs more for support. :evil:
Here a a few I often see posted:
- I'm not a cop
- Its better than nothing
- Criminals anticipated to run away when gun is presented
- Consult the crystal ball of anticipated threat
- Do I feel protected

Nah, as compelling as those rationalizations may be, I'll stick with a Glock 19 - despite being in a "good area" - its easily concealed even in FL heat. ;)
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.455_Hunter said:
Do you ever bring anything else to the table?
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What do you want? How about encouragement. :)
Always try to carry a handgun you would prefer in hand if you had to defend yourself.
Relating that to my prior post...
Anywhere you would prefer to defend yourself with a derringer rather than a 38 snub or a LCP 380? Probably not.

I'm not limited by work clothes, so I'm able to do better than a 38 snub or LCP 380.
 
C0untZer0 said:
Federal has put out information on the thinking behind the caliber and USPSA or IDPA didn't figure in the calculus. Here is Chris Lock from Federal speaking about the 30 SC:

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/federal-30-super-carry-tested/455614
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Some good information, especially the real gun velocities. Promotion is disingenuous, frequent comparison to .380 when the ammo is pushing 9mm - really more like .30 Luger than anything else, but who uses that any more - and the first run of guns are little more than rebarrelled 9mms.

barnetmill said:
There needs to be a pistol specifically made to fit that cartridge. Should with a double column mag thinner than typical double 9 mm and maybe about the same as a single stacked 9. The major advantage is more rounds in a magazine that is thinner.
Spin off may be more .312 bullets for reloading.
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The Federal guy says they expect dedicated guns. Not too hard for a big company like Glock or S&W if they don't mind paying for a new butt mold and the narrower clips. But they have to sell enough of the "conversions" to convince them that it is worthwhile.
 
The question is, is anyone else going to start making ammo for it. Right now only Vista (despite the various boxes and brands shown all that ammo came off the same Vista owned machines and got radom Vista owned brands slapped on them, the down side of a company like Vista) makes ammo for it. Until other manufactures tool up to make the cartridge its futures is in doubt.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
If it’s going to be as big and thick as a Glock 43, count me out.
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Glock 43, big and thick? It is really the same size as a Sig P365 only a bit longer in length.
Length: 6.26"
Height: 4.25"
Thickness including slide stop: 1.06"


Are you thinking of the Glock 43x?

Or are you thinking the cartridge is better served by a handgun more in the LCP Max size? Which isn't much smaller other than the length. (LCP Max Dimensions L = 5.17", H = 4.12", W = 0.97")
 
Okay for S&G's I tried a 32ACP case in both a 9mm 1911 slide and mag along with a Gen 5 G19 slide and mag. From what I could find, they are calling for a rim diameter of 0.345 for the 30 SC and 0.358" for 32 ACP. The 32ACP case I measured is 0.352" in diameter. I did this since the idea of conversion barrels has come up. Yes both slides did hold the 32ACP case in but there is about 0.050" difference between 9mm and the 32ACP rim diameter. This could possibly cause issues since the 9mm extractor in both slides just barely held the 32 case rim.

Left to right: 32 in 9mm 1911 and 32 in G19

32ACP 9mm 1911.jpg 32ACP G19.jpg

And here is what a 32ACP case looks like in both a 9mm 1911 mag and G19 mag when compared to a 9mm case

32 in 1911 mag.jpg 32 in G19 mag.jpg

I can see the 30 SC working in a 1911 mag but not in a G19 mag. In the 9mm 1911 mag, the fed lips contacted the 32 case for it's entire length. With the G19 mag, the feed lips only contacted the rim of the 32 case and you can easily flip the case up and out.
 
jeff-10 said:
Yes the name is awful. Its more of an auto loading version of the 327 Fed than a 32 ACP Mag, regardless of how the case originated. At least in application.
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I was thinking a semiauto to match the .327 Federal as well. .327 Federal produces 9mm +P+ sort of ballistics from shorter barrels, and that's kinda what this looks like. I do think that's kind of interesting, I wonder if a P365XL could fit fourteen in the flush mag.

EDIT: Looks like not 9mm +P+ but more like 9mm -P or .380 ACP +P+, but arguably still really interesting.
 
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mcb said:
Until other manufactures tool up to make the cartridge its futures is in doubt.
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Which other manufacturers are you thinking of? The only other big US company is Olin-Winchester.

Sig has their own plant now, Fiocchi and PMC are loading ammo here, but I think it would take a lot of gun sales to get them to devote some of their smaller capacity to a new round. Imports? Even further away.
 
Rule3 said:
Here is a counter point to the whole thing. I didn't write it so don't blame me!

30 Super Carry Review: Here’s Why You Should AVOID it


https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
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Interesting. I particularly like how the writer claims:

However, 9mm is the bottom (or very near the bottom) of effective energy for self defense.

The 30 Super Carry? Even lower energy.

I thought energy didn't matter in handgun cartridges. Only penetration and expansion. Sounds like a lot of the same arguments of the '9mm vs .40S&W' debate are going to be rehashed over this little cartridge. Time to grab some popcorn!
 
Another S&G moment here. I dug through my scrap bucket and found a bunch of empty 32ACP cases.

I tried a Mec-Gar 10 round 1911 9mm magazine and a Gen 5 G19 15 round magazine. It was tough getting the empty cases in both magazines. I also tried a Sig P938 6 round mag and a G43 6 round mag

Mec-Gar - 12 cases. An increase of 2
G19 - 19 - An increase of 4
P938 - 7 increase of 1
G43 - feed lips are too wide to even hold the 32ACP cases in.

I am sure with a follower designed specifically for the 30SC cartridge, and a slight tweak to the feed lips you could fit 20 rounds in a 15 round G19 mag. There really wasn't more room to fit another into the 1911 magazines so I feel it is maxed at 12 rounds. The G43 mag would definitely need a change in the feed lips.

I also tried the G43 and P938 slides with a 32ACP case. The G43 held it in just like the G19 and 9mm 1911 slide. The SIG P938 slide on the other hand would NOT hold the 32ACP case in at all.
 
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WrongHanded said:
Interesting. I particularly like how the writer claims:

However, 9mm is the bottom (or very near the bottom) of effective energy for self defense.

The 30 Super Carry? Even lower energy.

I thought energy didn't matter in handgun cartridges. Only penetration and expansion. Sounds like a lot of the same arguments of the '9mm vs .40S&W' debate are going to be rehashed over this little cartridge. Time to grab some popcorn!
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They would be better off not trying to make it a VS 9mm thing. 9mm blows it away in every way. Its not a bad cartridge on paper if they make a pistol designed for it. Be cool if someone did something like an AMT automag 2 chambered for it. Not a straight up rechambering of course but something along those lines. Kind of a mini 32 automag. Closest thing to that I can think of is the Tokarev pistol and the 7.62x25 which I call 8mm automag. Maybe a modernized poly thin doublestack Tok will some sig and 1911 mixed in. Give it something like a 4" barrel, keep the cost low, and you have a nice introduction for a new cartridge with a low cost pistol to seduce the consumer.

Right now I am looking more at the 7.5 FK in the BRNO. Kind of expensive entry.... it shoots 10mm/40 and 9mm though so it may be worth it. Performance wise its off the charts.
 
It is difficult to know exactly what Federal's objective is for creating the 30 Super Carry except to make money.

Over the decades of cartridge firearms, there probably has been something already made that meets just about any objective or condition. It is difficult to create a design sufficiently different to make substantial improvements on the existing designs.

Preconceived notions of the public can sink a product regardless how good the new product is. This is not limited to the firearm industry. This is my opinion of why the round is called the 30 Super Carry instead of the 32 Super Carry. The "30" moniker is to distance the round from the failures of the existing 32 caliber rounds that the rank and file public may have heard.

I'm interested especially if some firearm manufacturer builds a gun tailored and sized for the round. I'm not particularly interested in a 9mm gun re-chambered for 30 Super Carry such as the S&W Shield.

The sole exception would be a 1911 although the Nighthawks are a bit rich in my opinion. But, I'm a 1911 junkie.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
starling said:
They would be better off not trying to make it a VS 9mm thing. 9mm blows it away in every way.
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Not in every way. Capacity is obviously increased, and I suspect we'll find felt recoil (is similar guns) is decreased. These are two of the main arguments in favor of 9mm over other service cartridges. And if felt recoil is decreased, it's entirely possible (again in similar guns) that slide velocity and therefore wear to the pistol are somewhat decreased also.

Does diameter matter? That depends on who you ask and what cartridge they're defending.

Does energy matter? Same thing.

I can see potential for this cartridge being favored over the .380ACP, which has always had problems attaining the balance of penetration vs expansion needed to meet the all important FBI testing requirements. If it beats out the .380 in sales, it may well close the gap on 9mm where micro pistols are concerned.

After all, people really like little guns with low recoil, high capacity, and that pass the FBI tests.
 
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