Is Federal’s New 30 Super Carry a 32 ACP Magnum?

A decibel reader is on my list of gun gear to do suppression tests but they're even more expensive than chronographs. I'd love to get real data though, and some day I'll be posting scientific decibel readings... some day

Here is what I want, a REAL .30 super !

I agree, just a bunch of old meanies that imports all manner of junk from Red China but doesn't let us have a pistol.

What is the availability of Slobbvian surplus ammo these days? Will you pay commercial rates for fresh stuff?

ETA: And PLA labor lets them sell in Canada for $369.95 C, $296 US!
Plenty of surplus ammo at Marstar for about 20 cents a pop and it only has a few cracks in the neck but is perfectly safe. No fresh noncorrosive, though.

Jim I just bought 250 PPU 85 Grain Hollow points (that actually expand well !) Berdan primers nice brass cases. Shipped 250 rounds were $125 . Those rounds did over chronograph 1450 FPS out of my slender easy carrying 1953 Tok and slightly higher from My CZ52 . I have found bottle neck cartridges of old , like the .30 Luger and .30 Mauser (which is basically the 7.62x25) to feed better than their straight wall counterparts in the identical venues . The tapered case seems to find it's way into the chamber much better than straight walled ones. Note I have yet to try the .357 Sig in a pistol that I owned. I had a Texas dept. of safety guy 10 years back let me fire his quite a bit and I was shocked how much better it penetrated the vehicle we were shooting at. I have a Sig 239 barrel for it for my 3 caliber Sig 239 , but never tried it..
Should have bought a full case !
https://www.swfa.com/prvi-partizan-defense-7-62x25-tokarev-50rd-ammo.html

The 30SC has pushed out the most excitement for the 7.62x25 I have ever seen. While I get the 30sc might get close to the 7.62 ballistics it does so with a smaller case. Isn't that the whole reason guys get excited about rifle cartridges like 350 legend and 6mm arc? Get the same or close performance of a heritage cartridge but in a smaller package. The 30 at least has the benefit of dimensionally fitting into guns built for 9mm.

somethingbenign said:

The 30SC has pushed out the most excitement for the 7.62x25 I have ever seen. While I get the 30sc might get close to the 7.62 ballistics it does so with a smaller case. Isn't that the whole reason guys get excited about rifle cartridges like 350 legend and 6mm arc? Get the same or close performance of a heritage cartridge but in a smaller package. The 30 at least has the benefit of dimensionally fitting into guns built for 9mm.

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But to put things into real world perspective the .30 SC is around 400 FPS slower than than the 7.62x25 which is 30% less which is the difference between a .32 Long and the .30SC !
The Tok round with factory steel core ammo is a NOTORIOUS penetrator , actually better than the 5.7 from a pistol on up to class 3A vests that the new age criminals are wearing. The .30SC will never do that !
Finally for us tin foil beanie crowd the reason I have Com Block cartridge weapons is that besides sturdy in extreme use conditions and very reliable , the ammo would be available if the Chicom decide to send troops instead of viruses.

Like I said in another post the 5.7mm pistols have enough magazine length for a barrel swap

C0untZer0 said:

If they would make a new frame for it, that would be attractive. But probably they'd use a 357 frame and put a 30 SC cylinder in it and the extra chamber length amounts to freebore.

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Not at that noise level. 327 Federal is already an ammo problem if not a reloader. The round is a beast in the guns provided, except the Single Seven, which I found a dud to own. None of the reloading data I have goes as high as 45K for 327. Those reloaders will immediately go for a 30SC load with reasonable noise level. Hopefully the guns will not require high bracket pressure to cycle something well below 50k psi. This round seems to fit better in a small semi-auto, outperforming 380, but may be too dramatic to fire in a pocket gun.

They put too much emphasis on comparing to 9mm, when it could have its own niche as a milder loading for a pocket gun, displacing 380 as the king there. The marketing just seems all wrong to me, including what they want to call it. It's clearly a 32. If the focus is on hollow point expansion, the round will be louder and the recoil greater in the attempt to win that race.
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RealGun said:

None of the reloading data I have goes as high as 45K for 327.

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45K is the SAAMI limit. It's like saying none of your loading data for 45 Auto (non +P) goes as high as 21,000 - the SAAMI limit. But there is data between 20,000 and 20,999 psi.

Hodgdon/Accurate has 327 data over 44,000 psi. Lyman has lots of 327 Fed loads over 44,000 psi and two (2) right at 45,000 psi.

fxvr5 said:

45K is the SAAMI limit. It's like saying none of your loading data for 45 Auto (non +P) goes as high as 21,000 - the SAAMI limit. But there is data between 20,000 and 20,999 psi.

Hodgdon/Accurate has 327 data over 44,000 psi. Lyman has lots of 327 Fed loads over 44,000 psi and two (2) right at 45,000 psi.

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Put that in the context of Federal citing 50k for 30SC.

fxvr5 said:

45K is the SAAMI limit. It's like saying none of your loading data for 45 Auto (non +P) goes as high as 21,000 - the SAAMI limit. But there is data between 20,000 and 20,999 psi.

Hodgdon/Accurate has 327 data over 44,000 psi. Lyman has lots of 327 Fed loads over 44,000 psi and two (2) right at 45,000 psi.

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Mine was a true statement. My Lyman 49th (2013) does not include 327 Federal Magnum. I have it in Cast Bullet, and the rest came from Brian Pearce or Hornady, with Hornady 9th not including pressure numbers, only velocity.

RealGun said:

Mine was a true statement. My Lyman 49th (2013) does not include 327 Federal Magnum. I have it in Cast Bullet, and the rest came from Brian Pearce or Hornady, with Hornady 9th not including pressure numbers, only velocity.

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"Your sources" having or not having 327 Federal data at 45,000 or lacking pressure data is not relevant to anything. Don't know why you brought it up in the first place or why you have to justify your sources.

fxvr5 said:

"Your sources" having or not having 327 Federal data at 45,000 or lacking pressure data is not relevant to anything. Don't know why you brought it up in the first place or why you have to justify your sources.

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Don't know why you need to troll it. Sorry you missed the point.

Heard from a guy that is at shot and was able to shoot the 30sc. He said it was noticable less recoil than 9 which he was able to shoot side by side. He made no comment on muzzle blast or noise and when asked he couldn't remember anything significant. Will see if more reports line up with his experience or if he felt what he wanted to feel.

I’m looking forward to the 380acp flat point vs. 30 SC hollow point debates.

Multiple videos out of SHOT show of guys shooting it side by side with their 9mm counterparts. Everyone has said either:

1. They couldn't tell the difference between them.

2. The 30 had slightly less recoil.

At the same recoil (or even basically the same) as a 9mm Im not as excited. The extra couple rounds is still intriguing, but the extra rounds and less recoil was VERY intriguing.

The 30 SC ..in a Taurus G3 & G3X … 18+1 & 20+1
Screaming 32 …

How the pistol fits each individual shooter's hand will also effect how they perceive felt recoil too.

I can shoot my Glock G23 and then put the slide on my Strike 80 frame and the strike 80 has less felt recoil than the OEM frame. This is due to how the frames fit my hands.

Well it has .30 Luger ballistics, I love the .30 Luger for fun.

somethingbenign said:

Heard from a guy that is at shot and was able to shoot the 30sc. He said it was noticable less recoil than 9 which he was able to shoot side by side. He made no comment on muzzle blast or noise and when asked he couldn't remember anything significant. Will see if more reports line up with his experience or if he felt what he wanted to feel.

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He was likely wearing hearing protection, so we'll see. He should have noticed pressure though. I do know that 327 Federal gets attention at the range, while accounting for cylinder gap blast.

RealGun said:

He was likely wearing hearing protection, so we'll see. He should have noticed pressure though. I do know that 327 Federal gets attention at the range, while accounting for cylinder gap blast.

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He definitely was. I feel like if the noise was say AR pistol loud (hyperbolic for argument sake) he would have at least noticed even with ear pro. He also could have been so focused on recoil and handling that he had some auditory exclusion. All I know is he actually shot the dang thing which is more than any of us hypothesizing. And yes does my 327 get a bunch of attention at the bowling pin matches. Worth loosing just to see the looks.

I look forward to trying it out, looks promising for those of us who want a new toy and are tired of everything being 9mm. I don't know why people worry about how loud it is, it's a gun and they're all loud...some more so than others but that's not a negative attribute.

Kleanbore said:

If it is a defensive weapon, and hearing protection will not be worn when it is fired, the loudness of a firearm can be a very "negative attribute"--particularly indoors.

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In which I will reply that they're all going to be very loud indoors without hearing protection, the sound is very abrupt and the doesn't travel far, I've shot indoors. Would I rather shoot a .45 indoors than a 357 Mag? Yes but that's not saying the 45 is pleasant, all are going to leave you with some form of hearing damage. One could always leave a set of electric noise cancelling earmuffs by their bed.